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iOS 13’s privacy pop-ups of Facebook data grabs

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Re: iOS 13’s privacy pop-ups of Facebook data grabs

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I've been using the iOS 13 developer beta for a couple months, and I can confirm that within the first week, several apps from the big 4 requested permissions for things that should be absolutely unnecessary. iOS 13 has several great privacy-focused changes: - WiFi SSID is protected behind location permissions (ie, an app must request and be granted location permissions to be able to access the current SSID) - Blueto…

Great! Now, one more thing I’d like to have added: get rid of photo library access and separate this into several permissions: - write access - read access (all photos) - read access (through a special iOS picker that acts as a middle man) The longer people have their phones, the more photos they have. And with them a whole lot of meta data such as location etc. I simply don’t trust most apps these days that they rea…

Yes, this is actually one of my biggest peeves. iOS 13 takes a good step in the right direction by creating 'only once' permissions, but I'd also like it to be 'only this photo' (or perhaps iOS already does this if an app uses the standard photo picker?)

Re: iOS 13’s privacy pop-ups of Facebook data grabs

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This article sold me in switching to iPhone. It's like everything about Facebook dating seems like a eugenic program to favour people with a naive and submissive tendency toward power and authorities. As a technology change, online dating has become a "radical monopoly (Illich)," in the sense that whether you use it or not, you are subject to it, the way a cyclist is subject to the car, and any algorithmic bias or si…

Sorry but by your logic everything is a eugenics programme. My train being late causing me to not meet my future partner in another timeline fits your definition of technology and policy and algorithms, but that's sure as hell not a eugenics programme. Pretty much anything that causes me to meet or not to meet somebody is also not a eugenics programme.

And using Facebook does not mean you're submissive to a higher authority. Most people use it because there's no choice if you want your circle of friends to survive long term.

Re: iOS 13’s privacy pop-ups of Facebook data grabs

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I just switched two months ago. Been an Android users since 3.x days. I switched mostly for privacy reasons as as well. The original idea of why I liked Android: open source / Linux based, I developed apps for it, are not as important as giving too much control and my data to Google at this point. Been pretty happy with it as a new user. At first it was hard getting used to not having a back button where I expected i…

> The interface is slick and nice, however, I'd have have to say in recent years Android mostly caught up in that regard. How would you say are the apps in this regard? Are ios apps more standardized than android's?

I think they are from a few apps I have. But I also don't use that many apps to start with, others might have a better opinion there.

Re: iOS 13’s privacy pop-ups of Facebook data grabs

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I just switched two months ago. Been an Android users since 3.x days. I switched mostly for privacy reasons as as well. The original idea of why I liked Android: open source / Linux based, I developed apps for it, are not as important as giving too much control and my data to Google at this point. Been pretty happy with it as a new user. At first it was hard getting used to not having a back button where I expected i…

> having a back button where I expected it but after a few days got used to it. Dont forget that iOS has an almost universal left swipe gesture that doesn't require acknowledging the top left-back chevron It also has an optional swipe down gesture at the very bottom of the screen to cut the screen size in half, useful for hitting the back button if you have to

I didn't know that. Thank you! It makes it even easier.

Re: iOS 13’s privacy pop-ups of Facebook data grabs

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It’s helpful so Spotify can start playing music when I connect my headphones, or so apps like Bose Connect can update my headphones. Most features with privacy implications are also features that can add a ton of value if used correctly. The problem is partially the lack of system messaging and partially lack of morals...

Spotify shouldn’t need BT access to play audio —- there’s a “blessed” API for apps that need BT audio output that won’t require separate authorization. Your headphone update app more reasonably will need that permission, as its doing more than audio output.

You misunderstand, it’s not for playing back audio as such, it’s for detecting when the headphones connect as well as (maybe?) enabling easy set up of speakers with Spotify Connect.

Similarly Dropcam had a setup mode via Bluetooth, Google Home as well.

Re: iOS 13’s privacy pop-ups of Facebook data grabs

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This article sold me in switching to iPhone. It's like everything about Facebook dating seems like a eugenic program to favour people with a naive and submissive tendency toward power and authorities. As a technology change, online dating has become a "radical monopoly (Illich)," in the sense that whether you use it or not, you are subject to it, the way a cyclist is subject to the car, and any algorithmic bias or si…

Sorry but by your logic everything is a eugenics programme. My train being late causing me to not meet my future partner in another timeline fits your definition of technology and policy and algorithms, but that's sure as hell not a eugenics programme. Pretty much anything that causes me to meet or not to meet somebody is also not a eugenics programme. And using Facebook does not mean you're submissive to a higher au…

No need to apologize. Given this tech is precisely intended as a tool for people to meet each other, and the service value add is the filtering of options based on data they have collected by surveillance, that would distinguish it from say, a train.

Re: iOS 13’s privacy pop-ups of Facebook data grabs

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> “We’ll continue to make it easier for you to control how and when you share your location.” Technically, that's true. The choice between “yes, always” and “yes, always” is as easy as it gets, while of course also being totally misleading in arrogating that users actually do have a choice.

If the _app_ gives you the choice

> between “yes, always” and “yes, always”

because they deliberately left out a viable option of “yes, only when in use in the foreground” then I’d say the app developers are hostile and you should consider uninstalling the app.

But this isn’t really on Apple. It’s the developers, managers, stakeholders who deserve your ire.

Re: iOS 13’s privacy pop-ups of Facebook data grabs

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Since installing the iOS 13 beta I've noticed a bunch of apps asking for bluetooth access. I haven't kept track of every one but I do remember YouTube and Netflix asking for it on their first launch. Thankfully, I haven't witnessed any app failing to work by denying the request though.

The Bird (scooter) iPhone app asked me for Bluetooth. It said something about "nearby scooters" which I think is a flat out lie because you unlock them via QR code? Probably also tracking...

I've built a scooter app. Bluetooth can help with a few things including closing rides when the user has bad cell coverage.

Re: iOS 13’s privacy pop-ups of Facebook data grabs

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WiFi SSID has been behind a location permission gate on Android for several releases

It looks like this was released either in 8.x[0] or 9.x[1] series. Unclear to me which one. That means that only up to about 1/3 of Android devices[2] have the feature. Version distribution is one of the things that seems to tip stuff like this in favor in iOS[3]. Admittedly, the distribution of Android devices on 8.x+ is higher than I even expected before looking at this. [0] https://developer.android.com/guide/topi…

Location access started being required for WiFi scans in Android 6.0 Marshmallow (2015).

https://developer.android.com/about/versions/marshmallow/and...

By eye, that covers nearly 75% of current devices.

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