YouTube Said to Be Fined Up to $200M for Children’s Privacy Violations • Hacker News Board

Re: YouTube Said to Be Fined Up to $200M for Children’s Privacy Violations

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Post by jimktrains2 » Sat, Aug 31, 2019, 10:55 AM UTC

johnisgood wrote: post #78

DanBC wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't want a society where parents have to helicopter their children. We want a society where parents can give their children gradual access to freedom. > We can go back to how parents blame everyone but themselves when their kid steals their credit card to buy, say, loot boxes. This is a completely different problem. Content is made for children. Those content creators don't want unsuitable ads in the content. Th…

> We want a society where parents can give their children gradual access to freedom. Of course. There was another submission under which the US was called out for having less of that in comparison to Europe. As I said, kids are free to be kids around here in Eastern Europe, there are lots of playgrounds being built for them, they are usually allowed to go to school and back alone, and so on. Kids' freedom is less res…

Ad blockers don't work well on the YouTube app. I still can't get adaway to block YouTube app adds, not to mention people on iOS or without root.

Re: YouTube Said to Be Fined Up to $200M for Children’s Privacy Violations

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Post by pjc50 » Sat, Aug 31, 2019, 11:01 AM UTC

8note wrote: post #13

pjc50 wrote: post #10

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None of those compete directly with user-uploaded content of arbitrary length. Vimeo and Dailymotion are the nearest competitors.

doesn't Facebook do that?

The platform does, in theory, although until recently it was limited to 45 minute videos OR a livestream.

Culturally, it doesn't. There aren't famous "facebookers". It doesn't even support playlists.

Re: YouTube Said to Be Fined Up to $200M for Children’s Privacy Violations

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Post by Zenst » Sat, Aug 31, 2019, 11:11 AM UTC

Will this create a new virtual 18+ wall before you can view/access content/services. Not that it is illegal by any law to offer such services to those younger, just that the lawyers and the accountants sat down and concluded that the risks can outgrow the rewards.

Be interesting how the industry and various platforms navigate this whole area, but I'm mindful that they may well just cut them off period as just less hassle for them.

Re: YouTube Said to Be Fined Up to $200M for Children’s Privacy Violations

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Post by Zenst » Sat, Aug 31, 2019, 11:14 AM UTC

classics2 wrote: post #44

That’s nothing compared to their ad revenue, not even a notable one time loss.

For a large company, but it does make any new startup/competition go thru a whole extra hoop, which does favour established players.

Re: YouTube Said to Be Fined Up to $200M for Children’s Privacy Violations

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Post by mc32 » Sat, Aug 31, 2019, 11:14 AM UTC

dgzl wrote: post #46

To be honest, I see quite a lot of inappropriate content on YouTube's tending section pretty often. This can't have a net zero effect on youth.

What do their own folks who have children think? There must be some internal pressure on that issue but probably one of those things that get ignored.

Why don’t we hear about their internal protests to management and sit outs, etc? If they’re getting fined, it’s more than just public opinion and advocacy it’s preventing illegal activity.

Re: YouTube Said to Be Fined Up to $200M for Children’s Privacy Violations

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Post by johnisgood » Sat, Aug 31, 2019, 11:20 AM UTC

jimktrains2 wrote: post #81

johnisgood wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We want a society where parents can give their children gradual access to freedom. Of course. There was another submission under which the US was called out for having less of that in comparison to Europe. As I said, kids are free to be kids around here in Eastern Europe, there are lots of playgrounds being built for them, they are usually allowed to go to school and back alone, and so on. Kids' freedom is less res…

Ad blockers don't work well on the YouTube app. I still can't get adaway to block YouTube app adds, not to mention people on iOS or without root.

I am not sure what to reply to this. Do not use the YouTube app, then?

Are you saying there are no ad blockers on iOS? I can think of two ways and I am not an iOS user: 1) you can use RSS and open in Safari which has full adblocking support, or 2) you can auto download the videos. No ads in downloaded videos.

What do you mean by "without root"? Could you give me a specific example?

Out of curiosity, what is the reason for you or your children not willing to give up the YouTube app so that you can use a browser with an ad blocker installed to avoid ads? What is that feature that you (for yourself and your children) or your children prefer over not having ads?

Re: YouTube Said to Be Fined Up to $200M for Children’s Privacy Violations

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Post by lotsofpulp » Sat, Aug 31, 2019, 11:23 AM UTC

longtom wrote: post #65

dgzl wrote: post #46

To be honest, I see quite a lot of inappropriate content on YouTube's tending section pretty often. This can't have a net zero effect on youth.

I think humans are a lot more robust than commonly assumed. Most of us do not break due to their mere experiences as long as their fundamental needs (food, being loved, goals and so on) are fulfilled. Once these needs are not fulfilled they may be more vulnerable though.

I feel the opposite. Based on how people (and myself) behave, humans love to prioritize short term dopamine hits with long term costs. Whether it be children addicted to YouTube, people addicted to sugar and inactivity (see obesity), refreshing Twitter/Facebook/Reddit/instagram/Hacker News for new bits of information, etc. We’re even willing to trash the planet if it gives us the satisfaction of living in single family homes with parking and some land for heavily fertilized grass.

As a species, humans are getting better at using our susceptibility of the short term pleasures to operate businesses, but the long term effects are probably not going to be desirable.

Re: YouTube Said to Be Fined Up to $200M for Children’s Privacy Violations

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Post by cameronbrown » Sat, Aug 31, 2019, 11:23 AM UTC

dgzl wrote: post #46

To be honest, I see quite a lot of inappropriate content on YouTube's tending section pretty often. This can't have a net zero effect on youth.

Define inappropriate. The worst thing I've seen is somebody who swears or makes a fair amount of edgy jokes.

I'm guessing you're outside the US since YouTube controls the trending tab pretty closely there.

Re: YouTube Said to Be Fined Up to $200M for Children’s Privacy Violations

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Post by cj » Sat, Aug 31, 2019, 11:25 AM UTC

johnisgood wrote: post #78

DanBC wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't want a society where parents have to helicopter their children. We want a society where parents can give their children gradual access to freedom. > We can go back to how parents blame everyone but themselves when their kid steals their credit card to buy, say, loot boxes. This is a completely different problem. Content is made for children. Those content creators don't want unsuitable ads in the content. Th…

> We want a society where parents can give their children gradual access to freedom. Of course. There was another submission under which the US was called out for having less of that in comparison to Europe. As I said, kids are free to be kids around here in Eastern Europe, there are lots of playgrounds being built for them, they are usually allowed to go to school and back alone, and so on. Kids' freedom is less res…

It sounds like you're basically saying this: "Parents, stop complaining. Either move to a country that's safe like here in Eastern Europe where you don't have to helicopter your children in the name of safety, OR act on your parental responsibility to shelter your kids from the bad things in the world BUT don't discuss with anyone how society is broken or how it could be better."

I think the mistake you're making is assuming everything is binary. "A parent either assumes parental responsibility OR they complain about how society is corrupting their child."

But why can't a parent do both?

Re: YouTube Said to Be Fined Up to $200M for Children’s Privacy Violations

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Post by krapp » Sat, Aug 31, 2019, 11:29 AM UTC

yoz-y wrote: post #50

8note wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

doesn't Facebook do that?

Do people go to Facebook directly to just watch video from their non-friends? Is it even possible? Genuinely asking, I haven’t used FB for quite some time.

Yes, people go to Facebook to watch videos.

However, I think it's too restrictive to only consider platforms to be competitors of Youtube only when the use case is analogous, and it's incorrect to imply that Facebook can only be competing with Youtube if their users exclusively use it to watch videos.

Any platform that supports video streaming is potentially competing against Youtube. The specific use case of the platform is irrelevant, only scale and mindshare matter - the degree to which people spend time there rather than on Youtube.