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A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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The pentagram at the bottom left of the video is an instant deal-breaker for millions of regular folks Yeah, it's a little tone-deaf. I understand it's meant to be tongue-in-cheek and all that. But if, for example, they used a swastika, even if they were using it in the context one of the dozens of cultures for whom it's a normal symbol, it would still be tone deaf. A lot of people here are saying it's just a symbol,…

> A lot of people here are saying it's just a symbol, etc... But if it was a Christian cross, I bet a lot of HN readers would flinch with "I'm not supporting some fundy company!" I... sort of agree with you. It's generally desirable to make your products acceptable to everyone you can, and so the decision to include a pentagram is probably poorly calculated. But on the other hand, the sort of people who would put a c…

Alright, once again, stepping in here to be clear and specific: in no way is an upright pentagram 'Satanic'.

The upside down pentagram 'symbol of Satan' isn't even the symbol of Satan. It's a symbol of the goat's head of Baphomet, which, yes, is on the cover of the LaVeyan Satanic bible, which, um, claims Satan doesn't exist, and worshipping 'Satan' is ignorant and stupid.

The upright pentagram is used in Ceremonial Magick, in fact, as part of a banishing ritual, the aim of which is to literally banish any negative energies or entities.

It baffles me to think of the upright pentagram symbol as anything but sacred.

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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I haven't tried it, but it looks like it[1]! 1: https://matrix.org/bridges#whats-app

There is but it's powered by Whatsapp Web. Essentially, you scan a barcode which means notifications are received via Matrix but only so long as your device is on. If you have a physical server, you might want to opt for a cheap device that can sit next to your server, essentially meaning you're online 24/7 If you use a VPS, notifications will still be forwarded but only work while your phone is powered on. It's not…

Or stick it into an Android emulator. It uses hardware virtualization extensions and works pretty fast these days.

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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> A lot of people here are saying it's just a symbol, etc... But if it was a Christian cross, I bet a lot of HN readers would flinch with "I'm not supporting some fundy company!" I... sort of agree with you. It's generally desirable to make your products acceptable to everyone you can, and so the decision to include a pentagram is probably poorly calculated. But on the other hand, the sort of people who would put a c…

Alright, once again, stepping in here to be clear and specific: in no way is an upright pentagram 'Satanic'. The upside down pentagram 'symbol of Satan' isn't even the symbol of Satan. It's a symbol of the goat's head of Baphomet, which, yes, is on the cover of the LaVeyan Satanic bible, which, um, claims Satan doesn't exist, and worshipping 'Satan' is ignorant and stupid. The upright pentagram is used in Ceremonial…

>in no way is an upright pentagram 'Satanic'.

Broadly speaking, though I think it does depend on context. For instance, if practicing Satanists have attached a sacrificial victim to an upright pentagram, in order to worship Satan, then even if there may be a symbolic error on their part, that particular upright pentagram could safely be called Satanic and Satan would probably overlook the oversight.

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Alright, once again, stepping in here to be clear and specific: in no way is an upright pentagram 'Satanic'. The upside down pentagram 'symbol of Satan' isn't even the symbol of Satan. It's a symbol of the goat's head of Baphomet, which, yes, is on the cover of the LaVeyan Satanic bible, which, um, claims Satan doesn't exist, and worshipping 'Satan' is ignorant and stupid. The upright pentagram is used in Ceremonial…

>in no way is an upright pentagram 'Satanic'. Broadly speaking, though I think it does depend on context. For instance, if practicing Satanists have attached a sacrificial victim to an upright pentagram, in order to worship Satan, then even if there may be a symbolic error on their part, that particular upright pentagram could safely be called Satanic and Satan would probably overlook the oversight.

But...Satanists don't worship Satan.

The Church of Satan doesn’t believe in the devil. It doesn’t even recognise ‘Satan’ as a physical or spiritual being. As far as the Church is concerned, there is no such thing as heaven or hell.

And human sacrifice? Like, that kind of thing might happen in the Highest Orders of the Left-Hand Path, the Skull and Bones-type societies George W. Bush was a part of - so conspirators claim - like, I want to be expressly clear that suggesting Satanists make human sacrifices is akin to saying all Muslims are terrorists. Seriously. You're just discrediting a group of people who have enough troubles being recognized as valid to start.

I assure you, I have visited branches of the Church of Satan, and they are actually filled generally with very good people, whose philosophy is mostly that of self-love and not taking any bullshit, combined with the dogmatic practice of Ceremonial Magick.

It just wasn't my cup of tea. I have enjoyed more of what I've seen from Thelemic orders, which do not identify as Satanic.

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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That's great if you're Mr. Spock and the rest of the world is a bunch of Vulcans who can control their brains in the most logical way. But human beings create connections in their brains, and the whole purpose of symbols is to create a connection. If you use a symbol that has a particular widespread meaning, then people are going to think of that meaning when you use the symbol, even if they then figure out what you…

Oh this is fun. I'm going to wait just a little longer...

This section of the comments is... interesting. I wasn't expecting to read about this kind of stuff on HN today. But it's not over-the-top or obnoxious, so it's interesting to learn a little about what other people do/believe/practice.

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Okay, thank you. Is there any way to mitigate this if one wants to keep Wifi and Bluetooth? I guess if one really wanted to be pure then, they could just keep the second (of three, see below) hardware switches off, and even possibly de-solder a connection, to ensure they aren't accidently flipped on. Hardware Switches: - cameras and microphone - WiFi and Bluetooth - cellular baseband (When all three switches are off,…

> When all three switches are off, power is also killed to sensors a la "Lockdown Mode" Personally, with all these switches off, I'd still want GPS for offline navigation.

Maybe there are two contacts you could bridge. Are you good with a soldering iron?

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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The pentagram at the bottom left of the video is an instant deal-breaker for millions of regular folks... being aware of social sensitivities is a big part of being successful for projects that aim for broad adoption.

As to why it became occult, one of my favourite versions is that phi was used for engineering and one of the easiest ways to get phi is to draw a pentagram, but this was a trade secret, so one of the first things you do when drawing plans for a new church is draw a pentagram, measure off phi, then erase it.

This. I learned this, to my amazement, in Freemasonry.

I got a giggle, since it's inverse is the symbol of Baphomet, and all that.

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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I can't see it working unless they support WhatsApp and friends. No network effect means it will die. Unfortunately.

I don't think this phone was built for the masses. It's a boutique device offering functionality for a tiny niche audience.

it's a great step toward chipping away at the sad stuff everyone currently pays for

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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The pentagram at the bottom left of the video is an instant deal-breaker for millions of regular folks... being aware of social sensitivities is a big part of being successful for projects that aim for broad adoption.

it's just a pretty design, anything else is rampant superstition
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