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Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by szbalint »

beardedman wrote: post #27

So I've been saying something like this for years now. HOW do we know something is not going wrong without any long term/clinical data (ESPECIALLY around these custom flavours that people sometimes roll out themselves)? I think it's completely presumptuous when people tout vaping as being much safer than cigarettes. We didn't all wake up one day knowing smoking was bad - it was a long road filled with politics, scien…

We have to weight a complex set of circumstances:

- smoking is an exceptionally harmful habit, so just by coming up with any other activity at random one is likely to end up healthier

- this also means advising smokers to switch to vaping even without knowing the health effects of vaping makes sense - marketing vaping to non-smokers should be severely limited though

- marketing vaping to kids like juul does, should be downright illegal

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by jimhefferon »

Zenst wrote: post #79

However you look at this the take away from it all should be: Get a vape and liquid from a large reputable supplier (keep receipts) and should we suddenly find that this is the next product to have warning and danger signs slapped all over due to health concerns, you have a large reputable supplier you can sue, ala the original tobacco scandals.

I perceive that this is the take-away: don't, just don't.

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by wellpast »

Zenst wrote: post #79

However you look at this the take away from it all should be: Get a vape and liquid from a large reputable supplier (keep receipts) and should we suddenly find that this is the next product to have warning and danger signs slapped all over due to health concerns, you have a large reputable supplier you can sue, ala the original tobacco scandals.

Or - don’t smoke?

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by exabrial »

singingfish wrote: post #41
imafish wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similar story here. Smoked for ten years. Actually found it easy to replace smoking with vaping (strong menthol). Stopped vaping after 1 year because I was suffering from GERD and suspected that vaping was an attributing factor. Since I stopped 5 years ago, my GERD symptoms have more or less disappeared. I really enjoyed vaping, probably more than smoking, but somehow it did not seem to have the same addictive effect…

I stuck with it for 5 years because I was paranoid about relapse to cigarettes. Spent a couple of weeks in countries where vaping is illegal as a dry run, earlier this year, and then just waited for the juice to run out. The addictive effect of nicotine seems much enhanced by the addition of a monoamine oxidase compound (ie related to the early antidepressant drugs) - which is present in burning tobacco - which seems…

Not trying to call you out, but would you mind sharing? That coincides generally with what I've read.

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by Zenst »

jimhefferon wrote: post #82
Zenst wrote: post #79

However you look at this the take away from it all should be: Get a vape and liquid from a large reputable supplier (keep receipts) and should we suddenly find that this is the next product to have warning and danger signs slapped all over due to health concerns, you have a large reputable supplier you can sue, ala the original tobacco scandals.

I perceive that this is the take-away: don't, just don't.

Indeed, a qualifier of "If you are going too..." was a given, but yes, the don't do it holds.

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by throwavapeded »

madaxe_again wrote: post #46
buildzr wrote: post #5

> As the mechanism is unknown, it’s unclear what the actual danger is. Is it some byproduct of the nicotine cartidges, or THC ones? Is it the vapor itself? Is it only at certain temperatures or concentrations? Is it directly affecting the lungs or entering the bloodstream? No one knows yet — all they’ve seen is an sudden uptick in respiratory or pulmonary issues where the sufferer also uses vaping products. We've see…

I vape - I buy only high quality liquids from a reputable manufacturer who extensively test all of their recipes. I find my lung function is 100x better than when I smoked. I did, however, once buy a THC liquid, from a “reputable” dark web dealer. It was bloody awful - found myself retching and hacking for days after a few small tokes, and it destroyed both the coil and the tank - sticky residue, carbon, bleurgh. So.…

Interesting coincidence... Michigan shut down an MMJ testing facility within the last couple of weeks for reporting irregularities. https://www.michigan.gov/lara/0,4601,7-154-11472-505032--,00...

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by madaxe_again »

jdietrich wrote: post #75
TomGullen wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me and my girlfriend exclusively vape vampire vape juices, how do we go about researching if the manufacturer is reputable and test all their recipes?

Buy from a European supplier - testing is mandatory and all e-cigarette products must be registered with the national healthcare regulator prior to sale. It's not an ironclad guarantee of safety, but we have an effective regulatory regime. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/e-cigarettes-regulations-for-con...

The other thing to do is check out their safety data sheet - means an independent lab has audited them.

Vampire Vape, that the GP mentioned, have theirs here:

https://www.vampirevape.co.uk/media/safety-data/attraction-0...

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by awinder »

afterburner wrote: post #43
imafish wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similar story here. Smoked for ten years. Actually found it easy to replace smoking with vaping (strong menthol). Stopped vaping after 1 year because I was suffering from GERD and suspected that vaping was an attributing factor. Since I stopped 5 years ago, my GERD symptoms have more or less disappeared. I really enjoyed vaping, probably more than smoking, but somehow it did not seem to have the same addictive effect…

Is it possible vaping did not suppress your appetite like smoking did, and so your stomach created more digestive acids, but you didn't eat more because of habit?

GERD/nicotine has a pretty strong link and it’s cumulative/long-term exposure that increases chances. Probably just a ticking time bomb that went off ;-).

(No offense to the parent poster intended, I likewise have played games with this same time bomb multiple times now)

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by drankula3 »

justaj wrote: post #69
mirekrusin wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are also “coils” that vibrate to create vapour which happens at room temperature.

This is interesting. Do you know what this technology is called? I also wonder whether it's more efficient in terms of battery use.

It's an ultrasonic vaporizer. Below is a link talking about it.

https://youtu.be/aKhPj7uFD0Y

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by madaxe_again »

throwavapeded wrote: post #86
madaxe_again wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I vape - I buy only high quality liquids from a reputable manufacturer who extensively test all of their recipes. I find my lung function is 100x better than when I smoked. I did, however, once buy a THC liquid, from a “reputable” dark web dealer. It was bloody awful - found myself retching and hacking for days after a few small tokes, and it destroyed both the coil and the tank - sticky residue, carbon, bleurgh. So.…

Interesting coincidence... Michigan shut down an MMJ testing facility within the last couple of weeks for reporting irregularities. https://www.michigan.gov/lara/0,4601,7-154-11472-505032--,00...

Yeah... there is currently a global issue with lab results. A client of mine (large multinational healthcare products manufacturer) recently sent the same part to five different labs owned by the same very large lab test provider, around the globe, and got radically different results. The Chinese ones passed everything, as did the US ones - the EU ones failed the part on RoHS, as did their own tests on it - BPA over the allowed threshold.

So, yeah. Everything with a big pinch of salt.

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