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Re: Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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Post by hjrnunes »

jeanlucas wrote: post #54

Gonna give my 2 cents, bear in mind I'm in Brazil and am involved in projects related to the Amazon forest. My problem with all this are some things: * One problem I have is that during the last years Amazon savagery was going uncontrollable, no one cared, especially BBC, now that a president was elected that is not aligned with their point of view was elected, this became a front news issue. * Assuming this is all t…

Also, bear in mind the Brazilian Amazon territory borders British, French and Dutch interests in Guyana, French Guyana and Suriname respectively.

Re: Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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Post by doliveira »

turrini wrote: post #56

Please stop. It is not the fault of the current government. Burning happens every year in the Amazon, and everywhere across the world. The leftist party is using international media to alarm against the current government. There are also investigations being carried out on these burnings, as there are indications that several are criminals and were executed by NGOs in this region. Those are the same who have lost ben…

Just so you know guys, this sounds like a typical Bolsonaro voter. Even implying that the multi-hundred-percent increase in deforestation just this year was fabricated by the communist scientists and that Lula somehow has anything to do with it. Or that it's good that Bolsonaro is "reorganizing" the research departments to get rid of the commies that dare to present evidence against his corrupt children or about his family's relationships with Rio militias. Or just plain firing scientists and managers from organs like INPE (National Institute of Space Research) and IBAMA (Brazilian Institute of the Environment and Renewable Natural Resources) that dared to speak out against his anti-environment speech, policies or even environmental infractions.

Re: Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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Post by hjrnunes »

gtirloni wrote: post #61
jeanlucas wrote: post #54

Gonna give my 2 cents, bear in mind I'm in Brazil and am involved in projects related to the Amazon forest. My problem with all this are some things: * One problem I have is that during the last years Amazon savagery was going uncontrollable, no one cared, especially BBC, now that a president was elected that is not aligned with their point of view was elected, this became a front news issue. * Assuming this is all t…

That's the problem right now in Brazil. Any criticism to the current administration is because "ideology", like that's a valid argument to invalidate anything that's said. The current president thinks there are communists in every corner. The fires are happening, any satellite can confirm that. Easily. The the head of the public institution doing very scientific work to track that got fired because he wasn't a true "…

What people forget is that even if Americans may be divided, they're not sacrificing any of their territorial sovereignty to other countries.

Anyone seriously suggesting anything like this be done to America would be met with total annihilation "warnings" from any administration.

Re: Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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Post by vfc1 »

sprafa wrote: post #67
Hitton wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I consider such approach rather oppressive and reeking of colonialism attitudes. It sounds like: "Fuck Brasil, let's ban them from using their natural resources, while we happily keep using ours". There is literally no reason why other countries countries couldn't plant more forests to enhance their carbon depositions, now Brasil thanks to their rainforests does more of biosequestration than any other country on Eart…

IT is colonialist, patronizing, and evil. The US and the "developed" world have set course for self annihilation and the US in particular has done nothing to solve its own path by leaving the Paris Agreement. But hey let's blame Brasil, easier than solving our own problems.

Two things can be true at the same time. Clearly, both countries should change their behavior. I think what is happening in Basil is mostly due to the West fault, due to demand for cheap meat.

The Amazonian forest is mostly being tore down due to soy production for cattle feed.

Re: Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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Post by scarejunba »

vfc1 wrote: post #80
Hitton wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I consider such approach rather oppressive and reeking of colonialism attitudes. It sounds like: "Fuck Brasil, let's ban them from using their natural resources, while we happily keep using ours". There is literally no reason why other countries countries couldn't plant more forests to enhance their carbon depositions, now Brasil thanks to their rainforests does more of biosequestration than any other country on Eart…

No other country can plant a rainforest the size of Amazonia, come on that does not make sense. The Amazonia rainforest is unique and cannot be replaced, I don't get how the rate that it's getting tore down to plant soy crops for cattle feed to allow for the production of cheap meat is not alarming to anyone.

If you want the rainforest to remain, then pay for it to remain. Otherwise, let those who own the rainforest use the rainforest.

Re: Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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Post by doliveira »

doliveira wrote: post #82
turrini wrote: post #56

Please stop. It is not the fault of the current government. Burning happens every year in the Amazon, and everywhere across the world. The leftist party is using international media to alarm against the current government. There are also investigations being carried out on these burnings, as there are indications that several are criminals and were executed by NGOs in this region. Those are the same who have lost ben…

Just so you know guys, this sounds like a typical Bolsonaro voter. Even implying that the multi-hundred-percent increase in deforestation just this year was fabricated by the communist scientists and that Lula somehow has anything to do with it. Or that it's good that Bolsonaro is "reorganizing" the research departments to get rid of the commies that dare to present evidence against his corrupt children or about his…

BTW, the multi-hundred-percent increase was referring to a single month compared to the previous year.

Re: Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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Post by scarejunba »

avocado4 wrote: post #48
Scarblac wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US burns by far the most fossil fuel per capita. If any country needs to be sanctioned for causing climate change, it's the US.

Climate change doesn't work on a per-capita basis.

Guess what? If you're driving a massive SUV and heating your home every winter, I'm not going to listen to you telling me I have to oil the bearings on my bike to prevent friction heating.

Take the beam out of your eye and maybe I'll listen.

Re: Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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Post by piva00 »

Hitton wrote: post #64
vfc1 wrote: post #20

Brasil needs to be heavily sanctioned by the international community, I'm talking Cuba-level stuff if we want to even have a chance at stopping the rise above 2 degrees, we only have 12 years which means that it's already probably too late. More worrying is the rise of populism in the world supported by fake news, ignorance and social media that led to this. How did someone as ignorant as Bolsonaro ever managed to ge…

I consider such approach rather oppressive and reeking of colonialism attitudes. It sounds like: "Fuck Brasil, let's ban them from using their natural resources, while we happily keep using ours". There is literally no reason why other countries countries couldn't plant more forests to enhance their carbon depositions, now Brasil thanks to their rainforests does more of biosequestration than any other country on Eart…

I don't agree on sanctioning Brazil to Cuba levels. I do agree with sanctioning the beef/cattle industry there and I want to explain why:

Some of the staunchest supporters of Bolsonaro are from agrobusiness, they support him because of the removal of environmental protections so they are more free to take over land, illegally at first and I see that more and more this government will create frameworks to make that legal.

They support him because of his anti-environmental stance, because of his defunding of IBAMA (Brazil's environmental protection agency, responsible for investigation and enforcement of those laws), defunding and removing security to the officers that go to remote areas on the north of Brazil. These people risk their lives, that area of Brazil is a wild west with hitmen and killings happening if those farmers get a wiff that their illegal land grab is being scrutinised. Usually those officers would have support from the police and the army or national guard, now they have nothing and they refuse to do their inspections without it.

Apart from that, just this year his government has approved 290 new pesticides to be used in Brazilian fields, there are another 500+ to be "analysed" but will probably get a straight stamping out of it, news this week just reported that half a BILLION bees have died in Brazil this year, there is a very strong signal to connect those.

I was born and raised in Brazil, I've been educated and hearing about these massive land grabs and deforestation in the Amazon since I was a kid in 4th grade, it's never got much better and that is because of the agroindustry in Brazil, if the world keeps consuming beef from there it's only going to get worse. And fast.

So yes, I advocate now for sanctioning these industries that are the base supporters and financiers of Bolsonaro, he has the evangelical votes but those people are a danger to Brazil's society, not to the world as a whole, cattle farmers burning and destroying the Amazon, mining and oil companies applying for permits to install themselves in the jungle, THOSE are the industries that are gonna kill the Amazon and a big part of Earth with it.

Re: Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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Post by KnightOfWords »

vfc1 wrote: post #20

Brasil needs to be heavily sanctioned by the international community, I'm talking Cuba-level stuff if we want to even have a chance at stopping the rise above 2 degrees, we only have 12 years which means that it's already probably too late. More worrying is the rise of populism in the world supported by fake news, ignorance and social media that led to this. How did someone as ignorant as Bolsonaro ever managed to ge…

> Brasil needs to be heavily sanctioned by the international community...

Along with the US, Saudi Arabia, Russia and Australia. And probably a bunch of others.

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