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Re: The "vaccination causes autism" fraud

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Post by pbhjpbhj » Fri, Jan 07, 2011, 7:55 PM UTC

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #76

tokenadult wrote: post #56

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Have you read the British Medical Journal article, just published, that has prompted several of these threads on HN? http://www.bnet.com/blog/drug-business/study-that-triggered-... http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/andre-picard/medi... http://consumerist.com/2011/01/study-linking-vaccines-to-aut...

Consider that JABS directed people to a medical professional researching a link between vaccinations and behavioural changes and that this is what the parents were seeking. More over that had the case studies been properly examined that a causal link would have been demonstrated to be unlikely. How then is JABS culpable? Or did I miss something? Even if JABS commissioned the research unless they instructed that fraud…

Could someone respond with why JABS are culpable, just one sentence would do. That info doesn't appear to have been presented here. What did they do? Thanks.

Re: The "vaccination causes autism" fraud

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Post by huxley » Mon, Jan 10, 2011, 3:01 PM UTC

kragen wrote: post #26

huxley wrote: post #21

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Just to adjust your calculations a bit since side effects aren't all equal, the ranges are likely much higher than you mentioned. Trivial side effects (small temporary rash) are probably in the 1-in-100 range. Moderate non-life-threatening are probably in the 1-in-3000 range. Dangerous or life-threatening side effects are in the one in a million+ range.

This varies a lot by vaccine. The typhoid-fever vaccine I took in 2003 has "trivial side effects" in the 90-in-100 range, I think --- namely, you feel sick for a few days.

You're absolutely right, I should have been more specific by saying that in the case of the MMR vaccine, trivial side effects are in that lower range, but --as you've pointed out-- that isn't true in all vaccines.

Re: The "vaccination causes autism" fraud

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Post by ceejayoz » Tue, Jan 11, 2011, 4:13 PM UTC

patrickgzill wrote: post #55

ceejayoz wrote: post #18

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> My daughter had complications 10 days after her MMR in the UK. A one-in-a-million coincidence happens 7,000 times in the world's population. There will always be anecdotes, correlation doesn't prove causation.

Downplaying known complications does not serve your argument ... seizure occurrence for MMR is listed as 1 in 3000; mild fever (1 in 6), rash (1 in 20), temporary stiffness in joints (up to 1 in 4) , etc. Note this is MMR, not MMRV, which is listed separately, and for which seizure is listed as a 1 in 1250 occurrence ... http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm

Seizure from MMR is due to high fevers, which mumps and measles both have as main symptoms. Given that 90% of people exposed to measles wind up getting it, the complication rate from the MMR diseases is going to be far, far higher than that of the vaccine.

There are decades of research on this.