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Re: Information operations directed at Hong Kong

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Post by checktheorder »

nobodyshere wrote: post #10
Bhilai wrote: post #8

I am curious to know how do companies like Facebook control this kind of activity on WhatsApp where there is end-end encryption. I see a lot of propaganda on Whats App being circulated everyday and people keep forwarding such messages into various groups.

Can you seriously trust WhatsApp's security now that it belongs to Facebook?

In fairness to Facebook (which is a phrase I never thought I'd type) Whatsapp's Signal-derived end-to-end encryption was implemented almost a year after Facebook bought it.

Of course, there's still the flaw of backups to Google Drive being unencrypted. But fortunately that's not the default setting.

Re: Information operations directed at Hong Kong

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Post by [deleted] »

vkou wrote: post #23
groundlogic wrote: post #12

I don't think HN is immune to these kinds of CCP ops.

The problem is that calling someone a paid, or unpaid shill on HN is unproductive. There's a world of difference (But little way for a third party to tell apart) between: A paid shill. An unpaid troll. Someone who genuinely believes what they are posting, because they do not have the same information you do. Someone who genuinely believes what they are posting, despite having the same information as you, because they…

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Re: Information operations directed at Hong Kong

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Post by kyledrake »

rjf72 wrote: post #38

This seems like a very slippery slope. Recently Jackie Chan and Liu Yifei are a couple of higher profile individuals have expressed support for the mainland or condemnation of the protesters' riotous behavior. Jackie Chan is a Hong Kong national - Lieu Yifei is Chinese American. The reason that this is relevant is because we live in the day and age where holding the wrong opinion is increasingly frequently grounds fo…

> Recently Jackie Chan and Liu Yifei are a couple of higher profile individuals have expressed support for the mainland

Yeah I wouldn't want to get arrested for "tax fraud" either, especially if I was listed in the Panama Papers like Chan was.

But granted, it could also just be the actual crank opinion of the guy from a cheesy fighting movie about crooked cops in LA or something and why should I care? HK's government gives special powers to the wealthy and entitled and that's a big part of the problem with their democracy. Obviously the wealthy and entitled are by-and-large going to advocate for maintaining that status quo, just like they do here for our less codified version.

Re: Information operations directed at Hong Kong

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Post by ssully »

novok wrote: post #26
theirkf wrote: post #16

So this has become the norm now. Social media products who’s primary utility is to share information between people are now being used by governments to sow discord.

Your basically complaining that paper can be used to write whatever you want on it, by you and by people you don't like.

Not even close to an accurate comparison. It's not just paper - it's a printing press that can push your message directly to a device into the pocket of people who belong to specific groups that you want to target.

Re: Information operations directed at Hong Kong

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Post by brightball »

guerrilla wrote: post #77
kevin_b_er wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the fake news is generated and controlled by a government entity, I think the better term is "propaganda".

It seems unreasonable to restrict the term propaganda to government since any organization can produce propaganda, i.e. "information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view."

If it's not from the government, we call it marketing. :-)
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