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Launch HN: Quirk (YC S19) – Open-Source Cognitive Behavioral Therapy

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Re: Launch HN: Quirk (YC S19) – Open-Source Cognitive Behavioral Therapy

#81
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Awesome product and idea, I can definitely see this solution (or similar ones) be a crucial "culture-boost" for companies. And, of course, +1 for open sourcing it. With that said, any reason you guys decided to GPL it? I actively try to avoid both contributing as well as using GPL-licensed software (e.g. non-permissive libraries). All my stuff, for example, is MIT'd.

What do you mean with culture boost?

How do you see CBT could help teams?

Re: Launch HN: Quirk (YC S19) – Open-Source Cognitive Behavioral Therapy

#84
post #45

How do you guarantee privacy? I know it's open source, but I can't see how I can check that the app store version is an exact copy of the OSS version. Obviously, I really would not like to see my most intimate thoughts end up for sale at some information broker.

This is a great question. Is there a technical way to prove that an iOS or Android app is built from a specific git commit revision? And what about a web app? I know that these apps are signed but can a signed app be tagged with a transparent revision number which cannot be tampered with. Kind of like a sha2 hash that can be reproduced by building the same source code.

This is something I've wished for for a while. There are many developers out there whom I'm sure would love people to trust them and that are trustworthy. But I feel we now live in an age of "trust, but verify" and there's no great way to verify privacy claims even if we really want to believe something is benign.

In some cases it may even be unintentional leaks if someone isn't aware of an issue.

Re: Launch HN: Quirk (YC S19) – Open-Source Cognitive Behavioral Therapy

#85
post #81
post #12

Awesome product and idea, I can definitely see this solution (or similar ones) be a crucial "culture-boost" for companies. And, of course, +1 for open sourcing it. With that said, any reason you guys decided to GPL it? I actively try to avoid both contributing as well as using GPL-licensed software (e.g. non-permissive libraries). All my stuff, for example, is MIT'd.

What do you mean with culture boost? How do you see CBT could help teams?

I think they're referring to the various Mental Health as an employee benefit. Quirk isn't really that; we don't have any plans to do b2b stuff. But I admire the folks that do!

That said, CBT is extremely helpful in personal interactions and generally getting along better with other people. It teaches you to not mind-read and generally assume the best of other people.

For example, let's say you're a new engineer and you just made a big mistake like leaking a secret key online. In your inexperience, you don't realize that this is something that happens all the time.

Instead, you think "oh no, what if my manager finds out." So you avoid conversations and act defensively. Eventually your manager DOES find out and the whole situation goes from an innocuous key reset to a much bigger deal.

But the initial problem was caused by the catastrophizing that happened when the new engineer thought "oh no, what if my manager finds out." They likely assumed they might be fired or disciplined; which may be closer to the truth now that they've kept it a secret.

This happens all the time; it's a self-fulfilling prophecy that happens when we don't check-in with our thoughts. It's really easy to believe the "distorted" view of what we're thinking rather than a more logical perspective.

Quirk's advantage here is you can immediately pull out your phone and check this thought. You know you're feeling stressed or scared, so that's your cue to pull out Quirk. Then, it can guide you through the process of logically challenging this. It's likely that by the end of it, you'll have given yourself enough perspective that you don't feel so afraid.

So you don't keep it a secret, you tell your manager, it's an immediate easy fix and you reinforce a healthy trust for your team and the folks you work with.

Re: Launch HN: Quirk (YC S19) – Open-Source Cognitive Behavioral Therapy

#86

Nice work! This is a great idea and something I've thought should exist since getting interested in CBT a few months back. Before even trying the app, here are some thoughts. - On pricing: $4/mo seems like a difficult price point to build a business around, and it doesn't reflect the value you're offering. People pay hundreds/thousands per month to therapists to improve their mental health. If outcomes from using you…

On price: $50/m would be IMPOSSIBLE for most people to pay. You are backing the $50/m with data viewed from inside your bubble. I'm part of several online groups and communities for people suffering from Anxiety and Depression and out of thousands and thousands of people there, both in the US and around the world, I'd say only 20% have the money to go to therapy.

Your data showing that "a lot of people are paying a lot of money" is already biased because it's based on a particular socioeconomic segment. Do you want another data POV?

"...only 70 percent [of americans] feel they have adequate access to mental health care." - https://www.apa.org/monitor/julaug04/survey

Please be mindful when making comments like these, as not all of us are as lucky and/or privileged as you are.

OP: Your pricing is fine, probably $9 "ala netflix", that is still low enough for most people. Awesome product!

Re: Launch HN: Quirk (YC S19) – Open-Source Cognitive Behavioral Therapy

#87
post #86

Nice work! This is a great idea and something I've thought should exist since getting interested in CBT a few months back. Before even trying the app, here are some thoughts. - On pricing: $4/mo seems like a difficult price point to build a business around, and it doesn't reflect the value you're offering. People pay hundreds/thousands per month to therapists to improve their mental health. If outcomes from using you…

On price: $50/m would be IMPOSSIBLE for most people to pay. You are backing the $50/m with data viewed from inside your bubble. I'm part of several online groups and communities for people suffering from Anxiety and Depression and out of thousands and thousands of people there, both in the US and around the world, I'd say only 20% have the money to go to therapy. Your data showing that "a lot of people are paying a l…

Wanting to make a product cheap and therefore available to as many people as possible is a noble instinct—especially a product like this one. I totally get it.

But unfortunately that doesn’t change the fact that for many reasons, selling a product at a very low price point is an extremely difficult way to start a new business. Can it be done? Yes, of course, but you better be able to either raise tons of money or acquire customers very cheaply.

An app that costs 15% of what weekly therapy does and is similarly effective will help a lot of people. A company that dies because it can’t afford to advertise will help no one.

Re: Launch HN: Quirk (YC S19) – Open-Source Cognitive Behavioral Therapy

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a great question. Is there a technical way to prove that an iOS or Android app is built from a specific git commit revision? And what about a web app? I know that these apps are signed but can a signed app be tagged with a transparent revision number which cannot be tampered with. Kind of like a sha2 hash that can be reproduced by building the same source code.

This is something I've wished for for a while. There are many developers out there whom I'm sure would love people to trust them and that are trustworthy. But I feel we now live in an age of "trust, but verify" and there's no great way to verify privacy claims even if we really want to believe something is benign. In some cases it may even be unintentional leaks if someone isn't aware of an issue.

Unfortunately, there is little incentive for Apple, Google to fix this situation because the majority of people simply don't care.

Re: Launch HN: Quirk (YC S19) – Open-Source Cognitive Behavioral Therapy

#90

Nice work! This is a great idea and something I've thought should exist since getting interested in CBT a few months back. Before even trying the app, here are some thoughts. - On pricing: $4/mo seems like a difficult price point to build a business around, and it doesn't reflect the value you're offering. People pay hundreds/thousands per month to therapists to improve their mental health. If outcomes from using you…

Though also, on pricing: it’s not just a question of what the app offers, but also of what competitors are offering, and at what price. For example: the company that did Monument Valley teamed up with some doctors to do a very similar app in this space called Moodnotes* , and priced it at a one-time payment of $5.

That is to say: I am glad for Quirk’s existence - if it gets the useful techniques of CBT in front of even one person that wouldn’t have seen it otherwise, then it’s done good in the world and should be proud, and has earned that $4/month - but I understand why they aren’t using the cost of talk therapy as their point of reference for competitive pricing.

* https://www.ustwo.com/work/moodnotes

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