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Bill Gates Resume (1974)

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Re: Bill Gates Resume (1974)

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This is the first I've seen mention Bill Gates knows LISP. Are there any famous programmers who don't know LISP?

Certainly. For example, I've never heard Zuckerberg and Lisp mentioned together, and the use of PHP suggests he's not really a PL nerd.

Except when he opens Emacs...

Re: Bill Gates Resume (1974)

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Height, weight, current salary? Were these things you commonly kept on your resume in the 1970s? I honestly can’t imagine listing any of that today.

Now it's personal pronouns and gender. Seeing more and more on resumes. I didn't ask if you were "genderqueer", don't care and it has nothing to do with our open front end dev position.

Re: Bill Gates Resume (1974)

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Pay attention to the $15K salary he wants- that's about $75K in today's money. Not much has changed,even though companies nowadays make many tons more money from the dev work...

Do a lot of first year computer science students get paid $75k/year? I know internships can easily earn that but my understanding is they go to 4th year students.

I had a job paying that kind of money when I was in high school working on applications for a large internet provider.

The skills came from learning to program starting in the 5th grade.

So first year students don't make that kind of money but as a first year student you might have skills that were honed earlier which allows for that type of job.

Re: Bill Gates Resume (1974)

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post #82
post #47

Height, weight, current salary? Were these things you commonly kept on your resume in the 1970s? I honestly can’t imagine listing any of that today.

Now it's personal pronouns and gender. Seeing more and more on resumes. I didn't ask if you were "genderqueer", don't care and it has nothing to do with our open front end dev position.

The point is that thats what the candidate is requesting to used in conversation and when referring to that candidate. It's a courtesy thing

Re: Bill Gates Resume (1974)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's not required but it makes you more considered.

Even in countries where it was the norm (like Germany), this is not really true anymore. For tech positions or anything remotely close, the impact will be zero or even negative, don't do it.

statistics? People who should know have told me otherwise

Re: Bill Gates Resume (1974)

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post #82
post #47

Height, weight, current salary? Were these things you commonly kept on your resume in the 1970s? I honestly can’t imagine listing any of that today.

Now it's personal pronouns and gender. Seeing more and more on resumes. I didn't ask if you were "genderqueer", don't care and it has nothing to do with our open front end dev position.

Listing their pronouns prevents candidates from being misgendered while hiring staff discuss them. Makes sense to me.

Re: Bill Gates Resume (1974)

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Wow - first year coursework looks pretty interesting and advanced compared to current first year coursework!

Complexity of each one of those topics also increased a lot. Think about it, at that time a guy could just design the whole computer hardware, and write the software.

Re: Bill Gates Resume (1974)

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Any success getting a job after mentioning it?

I mentioned my newborn in all of my job interviews because I didn't want any surprises on either side of the table. I interviewed at six places and got five offers - two at FANGs, three at unicorns. I don't think there's a culture of discrimination against young fathers at large companies, and I don't think it's necessarily bad if there is at early-stage, high-growth start ups.

Any company worth working for would accept it as a fact of life- most people end up having kids at some point. If the opposite is the case,well, it's better to stay away from them.

Re: Bill Gates Resume (1974)

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post #57

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A lot of first year cs students have under a year of experience and can only list python, Java and possibly C++ under proficiencies. What's more sad is when you try hiring at a job fair and 300 4th year / master's students also only have python/Java/C++ with no side projects.

Personally speaking, vast proficiency in any given language or languages doesn't mean that much to me. You'll pick up es6 or go or whatever else. I care about the thought processes behind development choices, their implications on computational efficiency. They teach this in school, at least in the schools I attended. In fact, many professors were adamant they didn't care about languages at all other than someone gra…

Yep, that’s one of the biggest takeaways I got from observing my friends who got their education from known good CS programs vs. weak CS programs.

Those in good programs had classes that were focused on the actual subject matter (algorithms, OS, compilers, ML, etc.) with the language just being a tool, and in upper level classes, professors absolutely didn’t even care what language you used, as long as it got the job done (within reasonable limits, of course; no one likes grading BrainFuck code, even though some people attempted writing assignments in those as a joke).

Those in weaker programs, instead, had a “Java class”, “C class”, “javascript class”, etc.

Re: Bill Gates Resume (1974)

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now it's personal pronouns and gender. Seeing more and more on resumes. I didn't ask if you were "genderqueer", don't care and it has nothing to do with our open front end dev position.

Listing their pronouns prevents candidates from being misgendered while hiring staff discuss them. Makes sense to me.

Imagine trying to create a pronouns dopdown into some employer form. You either fix the list, and inevitably be accused of lack of gender sensitivity when a new pronoun starts to be used; or leave it free form, and run the risk of some candidates entering "their magnificence, Klingon commander" as their preferred pronoun.
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