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The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by artimaeis »

StacyC wrote: post #50

After five years on a ketogenic diet (low carb, higher fat) I now eat mostly fatty meat and eggs, and little else. I have never felt better or been in better health. This is anecdote, but a growing number of people are discovering the same thing. Beef is great food. It will not go away.

The Beyond Burger only contains 3g of carbs, making it perfectly acceptable for a Ketogenic diet, as far as I understand it. The Impossible burger contains more, at 9g, but that's easy to fit into most carb allowences of Keto (not many go for Even with a goal of 0g of carbs per day there's a lot of room on the plate for above-ground vegetables and natural oils.

Beef is an okay food, but there's lots of alternatives that seem to outperform it for many metrics.

Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by ziddoap »

artimaeis wrote: post #61
ziddoap wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But are these plant burgers actually claiming or marketing themselves as healthy? Yes. A snippet from the top paragraph of Beyond Meat's Product Page: "Imagine your favorite meaty dishes[...]while being better for you [...]"[1] [1] https://www.beyondmeat.com/products/ Edit: Beyond Meat is not claiming they are healthy , just that they are healthier . Edit 2: Looking farther, they also state that they are "IMPROVING…

>> But are these plant burgers actually claiming or marketing themselves as healthy? > Yes. That's not how I read that at all, look at your own quote again. > "Imagine your favorite meaty dishes[...]while being better for you [...]"[1]" Evaluate the context -- they're not claiming that a Beyond Burger is better for you than unprocessed vegetables. They're saying it's better for you than the other places you get "your…

>they're not claiming that a Beyond Burger is better for you than unprocessed vegetables

I'm not claiming that they said that either?

They claim they are better (read: healthier) than the products they are trying to replace (read: meat).

>they're marketing them self as better than animal

So... healthier than animals?

I understand there's some semantic ambiguity, but come on.

Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by artimaeis »

codesushi42 wrote: post #6

Nope. Last time I checked, not all beef is consumed as hamburgers. The alt meat craze (if there is one) is due to the novelty factor. The interest will decline over time. That said, what does a raw Impossible Burger taste like? A raw hamburger? Imagine wolfing down a raw one in front of a group of unknowing and terrified onlookers.

> Last time I checked, not all beef is consumed as hamburgers.

The author of the article explicitly mentions using Impossible Burger for non-hamburger applications:

"It looked identical to ground beef, so that’s how I treated it. And that’s how it performed. I made sliders, kebabs, nachos, chili, Bolognese sauce, even a little tartare (note: the company frowns hard on this)."

Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by WheelsAtLarge »

codesushi42 wrote: post #15
formalsystem wrote: post #9

I'm starting to think more and more that people promoting plant based burgers have either never tasted beef or never tasted a plant based burger. If the main concern is environment I get it and go for it. But if you are claiming that plant based burgers are healthier or tastier you are borderline delusional. Last time I cooked a Beyond Meat burger I noticed it was 30% canola oil. 30% CANOLA OIL, might as well just in…

I had a highschool teacher who was vegetarian and would extol its health benefits. She was obese. Not being meat doesn't mean healthy by default. This misconception is becoming as bad as preferring "0 fat, replaced with loads of sugar".

Keep in mind that a vegetarian diet can mean a diet high in grains. Grains will definitely fatten you up if you're not careful on the amount you eat.

Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by ziddoap »

kbenson wrote: post #77
ziddoap wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But are these plant burgers actually claiming or marketing themselves as healthy? Yes. A snippet from the top paragraph of Beyond Meat's Product Page: "Imagine your favorite meaty dishes[...]while being better for you [...]"[1] [1] https://www.beyondmeat.com/products/ Edit: Beyond Meat is not claiming they are healthy , just that they are healthier . Edit 2: Looking farther, they also state that they are "IMPROVING…

Healthier is not the same as healthy . Better for you is not the same as good for you . Eating a burger with less cheese is better for you and healthier, all other things equal, but very well may still not be good for you or a healthy choice overall compared to some other food entirely. In the end, if the faux-burger is healthier for you than the real one, it's a net positive to switch to it if you eat the same amoun…

Thank you for explaining the intricacies of -y vs. -ier.

I will go back and add ier to my comment.

Just a question though, would their claim of "IMPROVING HUMAN HEALTH" fall under -ier or -y?

https://www.beyondmeat.com/about/

Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by carapace »

> I knew it would keep getting better and beef wouldn’t.

> White Castle initially tested its Impossible Slider in just a few locations in New York, New Jersey, and Chicago in April 2018. It was such a hit that the company quickly expanded the program to all 380 outlets. “People are coming back for it again and again,” White Castle’s vice president, Jamie Richardson, said with a touch of astonishment.

> Resulting foot traffic was so strong that Burger King decided to serve the Impossible Whopper in all 7,200 restaurants, marking the moment when alt meat stopped being alt.

It reminds me of the joke, "I don't have to be faster than the bear, just faster than you."

Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

omarhaneef wrote: post #11

I think the part that rings clearly in my head is the ethical part. I really cannot believe we eat animals. I know other animals do it all the time -- and I don't hold it against tigers and lions -- but its still strange to me that we, humans, do it. If you don't feel that strong surprise, then I think the other arguments may or may not work for you. But if you have that sense that it is strange and perhaps off, then…

>> I really cannot believe we eat animals

I don't understand this. We are animals. Why is it specially prohibited to us that we eat other animals?

Note also that, as animals, we are not plant-eaters: we can't survive on plant matter alone. We are made [1] to eat other animals. We are omnivores, yes?

So why is it unethical for us, specifically, to eat other animals when it's not unethical for other animals?

____________

[1] By evolution, obviously.

Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by xboxnolifes »

bregma wrote: post #67
codesushi42 wrote: post #6

Nope. Last time I checked, not all beef is consumed as hamburgers. The alt meat craze (if there is one) is due to the novelty factor. The interest will decline over time. That said, what does a raw Impossible Burger taste like? A raw hamburger? Imagine wolfing down a raw one in front of a group of unknowing and terrified onlookers.

> not all beef is consumed as hamburgers I know most of mine is. Not necessarily in the classic sandwich form, but there's spaghetti sauce, moussaka, shepherd's pie, chili, pizza, and throwing it into a big bucket with other foods and spices and mixing it up and eating it with a spoon. Tastes good,man.

That is not the point. If people still want non-ground meat (Which is much harder to have a plant substitute for), cows will stick around. Ground meats are basically just a byproduct of the lesser cuts.

Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by zentiggr »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #32
wyldfire wrote: post #5

I just learned this bit on the radio the other day and was quite surprised: out of 1.9 billion acres in the US, the #1 and #3 ranked uses are cattle and crops (respectively) [1]. Out of the crops, much of it is used for livestock. [1] https://www.npr.org/2019/07/26/745731823/the-u-s-has-nearly-...

And why is that land used for livestock? Much of this is land in the west, and there's not much else you can do with it. You can't grow crops on it - not enough water. You can't even grow trees on it - not much land got cleared of trees to make room for grazing. All you can do is run some cows or sheep on it. And, behold, it becomes part of this huge acreage used for cattle.

If that were the only way we produced meat, I would be far less opposed to consuming it.

Mass production in unhealthy factory styles is the majority source. Any incentive to end that process is a net gain in my view.

Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by lkbm »

flyinglizard wrote: post #13
formalsystem wrote: post #9

I'm starting to think more and more that people promoting plant based burgers have either never tasted beef or never tasted a plant based burger. If the main concern is environment I get it and go for it. But if you are claiming that plant based burgers are healthier or tastier you are borderline delusional. Last time I cooked a Beyond Meat burger I noticed it was 30% canola oil. 30% CANOLA OIL, might as well just in…

In my case, it was the amount of preservatives in one of the more well known plant based meat burgers. Far from healthy.

What's unhealthy about preservatives?
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