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Lyft releases self-driving research dataset
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Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset
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I'm sure you don't, but please don't take HN thread further into ideological flamewar.
Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset
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Hi, I'm the CEO of Scale.ai. This comment does not represent the company's viewpoint, and cardigan is not speaking on behalf of Scale. We are very excited to have been able to work with Lyft in open-sourcing this dataset and advancing the research community. We are also very grateful to Lyft for choosing to leverage our point cloud viewer and have credited the annotations to us on their launch page.
the point cloud viewer which cardigan also had to point out was produced by someone at scale, and not nuScene? pretty inconvenient for you when workers want their efforts recognised, and not just thought of as capital for you to push around however you please, huh?
That crosses into personal attack, which is not allowed on HN, even if you are fighting the forces of capital.
Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset
#84(I work at scale) Hmm this blog post and the website doesn't mention that this dataset was mostly annotated by Scale (scale.ai), as part of a partnership with Lyft ... We're going to publish a blog post about this soon, but if anyone at Lyft is reading this, please figure out how to reasonably credit Scale since I doubt leaving out Scale completely from the announcement is in the spirit of the agreement. Scale should…
You should delete this.
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Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset
#85(I work at scale) Hmm this blog post and the website doesn't mention that this dataset was mostly annotated by Scale (scale.ai), as part of a partnership with Lyft ... We're going to publish a blog post about this soon, but if anyone at Lyft is reading this, please figure out how to reasonably credit Scale since I doubt leaving out Scale completely from the announcement is in the spirit of the agreement. Scale should…
OP here, just waking up (I'm remote) - I can't edit my original comments so let me modify them here:
I wasn't involved in our communications with Lyft, so I was talking about something I didn't know much about. My audience was just the anonymous commenteriat: turns out a lot of people whose opinion makes a material difference to Lyft/Scale read these comments too. Sorry for not realizing that; I probably wouldn't have posted an uninformed personal opinion had I realized that.
I was being way too aggressive - genuinely sorry to anyone at Lyft who felt maligned by these comments. I woke up to 20 messages from coworkers who told me I was being an ass - genuinely sorry :(
Also I really should've clarified I was not speaking on behalf of the company: this was just a personal, uninformed opinion.
I cannot go into the details I learned about Scale's agreement with Lyft since it's confidential
Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset
#86(I work at scale) Hmm this blog post and the website doesn't mention that this dataset was mostly annotated by Scale (scale.ai), as part of a partnership with Lyft ... We're going to publish a blog post about this soon, but if anyone at Lyft is reading this, please figure out how to reasonably credit Scale since I doubt leaving out Scale completely from the announcement is in the spirit of the agreement. Scale should…
OP here, just waking up (I'm remote) - I can't edit my original comments so let me modify them here: I wasn't involved in our communications with Lyft, so I was talking about something I didn't know much about. My audience was just the anonymous commenteriat: turns out a lot of people whose opinion makes a material difference to Lyft/Scale read these comments too. Sorry for not realizing that; I probably wouldn't hav…
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Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset
#87(I work at scale) Hmm this blog post and the website doesn't mention that this dataset was mostly annotated by Scale (scale.ai), as part of a partnership with Lyft ... We're going to publish a blog post about this soon, but if anyone at Lyft is reading this, please figure out how to reasonably credit Scale since I doubt leaving out Scale completely from the announcement is in the spirit of the agreement. Scale should…
OP here, just waking up (I'm remote) - I can't edit my original comments so let me modify them here: I wasn't involved in our communications with Lyft, so I was talking about something I didn't know much about. My audience was just the anonymous commenteriat: turns out a lot of people whose opinion makes a material difference to Lyft/Scale read these comments too. Sorry for not realizing that; I probably wouldn't hav…
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Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset
#88(I work at scale) Hmm this blog post and the website doesn't mention that this dataset was mostly annotated by Scale (scale.ai), as part of a partnership with Lyft ... We're going to publish a blog post about this soon, but if anyone at Lyft is reading this, please figure out how to reasonably credit Scale since I doubt leaving out Scale completely from the announcement is in the spirit of the agreement. Scale should…
OP here, just waking up (I'm remote) - I can't edit my original comments so let me modify them here: I wasn't involved in our communications with Lyft, so I was talking about something I didn't know much about. My audience was just the anonymous commenteriat: turns out a lot of people whose opinion makes a material difference to Lyft/Scale read these comments too. Sorry for not realizing that; I probably wouldn't hav…
I seriously suggest you to add "Disclaimer" to every comment you leave on threads related to your company (see boulos' comments for example here on HN).
Also, and I really mean this in a friendliest way possible, take a pause commenting here. You're not doing yourself a favor. I suggest you talk to your PR/marketing department before exposing more internal details, or run comments by them before posting.
Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset
#89(I work at scale) Hmm this blog post and the website doesn't mention that this dataset was mostly annotated by Scale (scale.ai), as part of a partnership with Lyft ... We're going to publish a blog post about this soon, but if anyone at Lyft is reading this, please figure out how to reasonably credit Scale since I doubt leaving out Scale completely from the announcement is in the spirit of the agreement. Scale should…
OP here, just waking up (I'm remote) - I can't edit my original comments so let me modify them here: I wasn't involved in our communications with Lyft, so I was talking about something I didn't know much about. My audience was just the anonymous commenteriat: turns out a lot of people whose opinion makes a material difference to Lyft/Scale read these comments too. Sorry for not realizing that; I probably wouldn't hav…
It's in your best interests to edit out the last part of your comment.
Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset
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I would guess (I'm not a lawyer) that a commercial model would be in the clear as long as the company doesn't release anything including the data itself. Model weights that are derived from the data are not the data. I would make an analogy where the training data is like a textbook. If I read in a textbook about how to design/build a bridge, I don't have to give royalties to the textbook author when my civil enginee…
I disagree. The license specifies that "using the material for commercial purposes" is prohibited. The act of training a commercial model is obviously a commercial purpose. Whether or not the data is somehow incorporated into the resulting model is irrelevant. You're confusing this CC license with open source licenses that do not restrict use but require derived works to be created/distributed under certain condition…
I think this is a pretty good argument, and more correct that my previous comment. It's too late for me to edit that one, but it's a pretty clear argument.
I doubt that any company would be willing to take the risk of creating a commercial self-driving car using this data to get a head start. I don't think I'll be seeing this particular license fought over in court.