Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple • Hacker News Board

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by JustSomeNobody » Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 4:43 PM UTC

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #10

bbx wrote: post #7

Can't really agree with the Magic Mouse 2 being a "miss". I understand the controversy with the charging port being under the mouse, but it's done on purpose: Apple wants to prevent users from leaving the mouse connected with a USB cable all the time. Maybe there was a better solution to this issue, but the truth is that it's not actually an issue and not a blunder either. I've had this mouse for years and simply rec…

> I understand the controversy with the charging port being under the mouse, but it's done on purpose: Apple wants to prevent users from leaving the mouse connected with a USB cable all the time. Here's a better solution: good old rechargeable AA batteries. Keep a spare set sitting in a charger, and you'll never need to wait for your device to recharge. If you're concerned about users falling back on disposables, bun…

How about a Qi certified mouse and mouse pad?

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by iaml » Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 4:44 PM UTC

s3r3nity wrote: post #64

jdofaz wrote: post #14

I really like 3D touch for moving the cursor in text input fields.

Yeah 3D / force touch is a "miss" that I strongly feel should have been a "hit," as it's a pretty innovative idea - mostly from the hardware side - but was either difficult to discovery for users and/or apps didn't have good examples.

Most baffling for me is the fact I use mac counterpart to this - force touch - every single day even though most apps don't support it; VS code for example would profit immensely from using it to peek definition, but alas, electron does not support it at all.

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by stevens32 » Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 4:45 PM UTC

pier25 wrote: post #68

bbx wrote: post #7

Can't really agree with the Magic Mouse 2 being a "miss". I understand the controversy with the charging port being under the mouse, but it's done on purpose: Apple wants to prevent users from leaving the mouse connected with a USB cable all the time. Maybe there was a better solution to this issue, but the truth is that it's not actually an issue and not a blunder either. I've had this mouse for years and simply rec…

> Apple wants to prevent users from leaving the mouse connected with a USB cable all the time. Why should that be a problem?

My guess is to prevent images of it out in the wild looking like a non-magical normal mouse with wires

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by skyyler » Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 4:46 PM UTC

paultopia wrote: post #4

I can't believe they still haven't fixed that charging port on the mouse. It has to be the single most hated Apple design choice ever...

The one time I showed up to work to find that my mouse was dead, I plugged it in, got a cup of coffee, and by the time I was back at my desk it was charged enough to be used for the rest of the day.

I'm starting to get the feeling that some people will never be satisfied, and that complaints will always be made.

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by claviska » Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 4:47 PM UTC

bbx wrote: post #7

Can't really agree with the Magic Mouse 2 being a "miss". I understand the controversy with the charging port being under the mouse, but it's done on purpose: Apple wants to prevent users from leaving the mouse connected with a USB cable all the time. Maybe there was a better solution to this issue, but the truth is that it's not actually an issue and not a blunder either. I've had this mouse for years and simply rec…

I love the Magic Mouse. What’s amazing is how long the batteries in Apple’s wireless mouse and keyboard peripherals last on a single charge.

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by kstrauser » Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 4:49 PM UTC

glvn wrote: post #17

bbx wrote: post #7

Can't really agree with the Magic Mouse 2 being a "miss". I understand the controversy with the charging port being under the mouse, but it's done on purpose: Apple wants to prevent users from leaving the mouse connected with a USB cable all the time. Maybe there was a better solution to this issue, but the truth is that it's not actually an issue and not a blunder either. I've had this mouse for years and simply rec…

Part of the reason the Magic Mouse was a miss in my mind was that the Magic Trackpad was so much better. For how awkward the magic mouse was at first, the magic trackpad felt natural at first touch. I remember getting one at work, this was the only time I liked a product at work so much that I immediately picked one up before coming home.

I love my Magic Trackpad up until it starting killing my wrists. A Magic Mouse let me be pain-free again.

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by gxx » Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 4:50 PM UTC

HeWhoLurksLate wrote: post #50

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to use the original Magic Mouse at work, which used AA batteries instead of a stupid lighting port to recharge. I came to appreciate the Magic Mouse quite a bit. I found it perfectly comfortable, and having what is effectively a super long scroll wheel is great. I also appreciated the easy horizontal scrolling, and the ability to switch spaces with swipe gestures. I switched only because I discovered how nice…

Same here. I still don't have a good solution to horizontal scrolling (shift doesn't work in Excel).

The Macbook trackpad has by far the best horizontal scrolling of any pointing device. I could not live without it. (If anyone knows a better solution please tell me. I'm always looking for new options.)

It's great for spreadsheets. I even use the Macbook trackpad for 3D CAD. I used to use a spaceball and mouse, but the trackpad plus modifier keys is more convenient because it keeps the hands to the keyboard.

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by BRAlNlAC » Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 4:50 PM UTC

nneonneo wrote: post #37

jdofaz wrote: post #14

I really like 3D touch for moving the cursor in text input fields.

Yeah, that has to be my favorite use-case for the force-touch on iOS. The way text selection works on iOS has never felt that smooth, but force touch takes away some of the worst pain. Shame it’s got zero discoverability. Most people I know are surprised when I show them that. It also has quite a steep learning curve for some. Plus, some of the more advanced useful stuff is pretty hard to use - for example, did you k…

Yes, the pulse selection is the most useful part of the implementation, and makes me not want to upgrade to iOS 13 on my iPhone X based on feature degradation alone. I use 3D Touch all the time and have for years now. I don’t understand the “zero discoverability” claim. It is natural to try and push harder on the screen, and it’s extremely fast. Ive often thought they should leverage the Taptic Engine to offer (at least in accessibility settings) an option for haptic feedback for all deep touches system wide, with like a double knock telling you that nothing happened. And honestly, peeking/popping links is the single greatest innovation in mobile web UX in a decade, deprivation of the tech stack is a travesty for a premium gadget brand like Apple.

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by aczerepinski » Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 4:50 PM UTC

bbx wrote: post #7

Can't really agree with the Magic Mouse 2 being a "miss". I understand the controversy with the charging port being under the mouse, but it's done on purpose: Apple wants to prevent users from leaving the mouse connected with a USB cable all the time. Maybe there was a better solution to this issue, but the truth is that it's not actually an issue and not a blunder either. I've had this mouse for years and simply rec…

I work remote and visit my office ~ twice per month. Nearly every time I show up to my desk, the mouse is dead, and I have to work without a mouse while it charges. IMO the Razer mouse I use at home is better in every respect.

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by askafriend » Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 4:53 PM UTC

pier25 wrote: post #68

bbx wrote: post #7

Can't really agree with the Magic Mouse 2 being a "miss". I understand the controversy with the charging port being under the mouse, but it's done on purpose: Apple wants to prevent users from leaving the mouse connected with a USB cable all the time. Maybe there was a better solution to this issue, but the truth is that it's not actually an issue and not a blunder either. I've had this mouse for years and simply rec…

> Apple wants to prevent users from leaving the mouse connected with a USB cable all the time. Why should that be a problem?

Because that will wreck the battery capacity.

Li-Ion batteries aren’t designed for that use-case.

Also the Magic Mouse has fast charging. You’ll get a full day of battery in 2min.

With a full charge, you’ll get 2+ months of usage.

Do the math. You’ll most likely charge this thing less than 20 times in it’s entire life.

That’s why the battery port design is both really smart and elegant. Unfortunately people don’t take the time to understand the purpose of design choices and jump to the easiest meme that reinforces their beliefs.