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Judge Gives E-Cigarette Makers 10 Months to Seek FDA Review

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Re: Judge Gives E-Cigarette Makers 10 Months to Seek FDA Review

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Post by Lewton »

jimmytucson wrote: post #57
umvi wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's dubious that nicotine itself is bad for you I mean, can we agree substances that enslave you - and by extension your pocketbook - are "bad for you" regardless of if they cause you to die at a sooner age?

Bingo. People that quit smoking with ecigs are transferring their addiction to something else. It may be less harmful than smoking or chewing tobacco, which inevitably leads people to compare it to caffeine. I’ve been addicted to both. Not once has the need for a triple latte pulled me out of a movie theater at the good part, or made me duck under an eave in the freezing cold when it’s raining outside. Nicotine is fi…

I don’t know any vaper who has to interrupt anything to feed their nicotine addiction. Nicotine alone is much much less addictive than Cigarettes and their finely tuned mix of additives designed for maximum addiction

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Post by [deleted] »

Symmetry wrote: post #18
4ntonius8lock wrote: post #11

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> obviously nothing will be banned Tobacco: 500,000 Alcohol Deaths: 88,000 All Non Alcohol Drug Overdoses (including prescriptions): 64,000 Marijuana Deaths: 0 Yearly statistics for the USA. Seems your 'obvious' might not be so obvious for the rest of us. But then again, I think many 'obvious' things for you are not obvious to the rest of us. Like the muddled thinking related to children: 1st, it's already illegal to…

Nobody dies from Marijuana overdoses but having smoke in your lungs is having smoke in your lungs whether it comes form a cigarette or a joint or a campfire and it's pretty much equally bad each way. Users tend to spend less time smoking joints than cigarettes but I'd be very surprised if the incidence of lung cancer from marijuana was zero.

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Re: Judge Gives E-Cigarette Makers 10 Months to Seek FDA Review

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Post by jotm »

anthony_doan wrote: post #67

My friend's brother in law is a pediatrician, BIL talks about e-cig stories a lot. How young teen are using e-cig and cases where these high school boys are losing their sex drive (getting ED). I'm not advocating for a ban but there should be independent studies conducted on the effect of e-cig and also more awareness for younger children. I'd like a long term studies on the effect of e-cig.

Treat ecigarettes like any other tobacco products. No selling to minors, inform and punish teens who use them.

Teens were smoking cigarettes two decades ago, this isn't much different.

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Post by jotm »

dmix wrote: post #5

Me and almost everyone I know who smoked quit using e-cigarettes and they are all adults. But my province (at least the prior party) is obsessed with making them harder and harder to find - at all - because 'think of the children'. I bet the tobacco industry must love governments right now. They were getting seriously threatened for a moment there.

I'm in a country where they're banned for sale in general shops. Only licensed businesses can sell them.

Cigarettes, on the other hand, are in every corner shop.

A level of stupidity that is hard to achieve.

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Post by Integrity »

Nas808 wrote: post #50
d1zzy wrote: post #3

I hope this doesn't result in e-cigs getting banned in the US because that would be terrible. I live in the same house with someone who has been smoking since they were a teenager (quite common where we're from) and e-cigs has allowed them to stop smoking cigarettes which may or may not benefit them that much but it most certainly benefits me (no smell of smoke in the house, no second hand smoking, etc). They have tr…

I smoked for 15 years and tried all the usual quitting aids many times. E-cigs were the only thing that worked for me, but I’m a bit concerned about the long term affects of vaping.

I used vaping to quit smoking. Then I quit vaping, and found quitting vaping easier than quitting smoking. Now I just breathe deep when I feel like taking a hit from something. The feeling of filling my lungs with some bulls--it is what is missed most, I notice.

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Post by on_and_off »

d1zzy wrote: post #3

I hope this doesn't result in e-cigs getting banned in the US because that would be terrible. I live in the same house with someone who has been smoking since they were a teenager (quite common where we're from) and e-cigs has allowed them to stop smoking cigarettes which may or may not benefit them that much but it most certainly benefits me (no smell of smoke in the house, no second hand smoking, etc). They have tr…

My main issue with e-cigs is that they are heavily marketed to kids, for example with young sponsored influencers doing smoke tricks and other shit.

Thanks to e-cigs, teen cigarette (not e-cig) smoking has started increasing after decreasing for years. Teens that would have never started smoking are introduced to it with e-cigs.

I don't know how these 2 phenomenons balance out. Does the number of cigarette smokers moving to e-cigs counterbalance the number of younger people starting to smoke cigarettes because of it ?

In all cases, I have no issue with more studies on the direct impact on e-cigs themselves.

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Post by abcpassword »

rjeli wrote: post #65
Nas808 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I smoked for 15 years and tried all the usual quitting aids many times. E-cigs were the only thing that worked for me, but I’m a bit concerned about the long term affects of vaping.

Have you tried tapering the nicotine levels from vaping? Asking for myself..

That’s how my wife quit. Just drop a level a month, then finally go to 0.

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Post by buildzr »

Integrity wrote: post #85
Nas808 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I smoked for 15 years and tried all the usual quitting aids many times. E-cigs were the only thing that worked for me, but I’m a bit concerned about the long term affects of vaping.

I used vaping to quit smoking. Then I quit vaping, and found quitting vaping easier than quitting smoking. Now I just breathe deep when I feel like taking a hit from something. The feeling of filling my lungs with some bulls--it is what is missed most, I notice.

Quiting vaping is quite likely to be easier for actual chemical reasons - Tobacco contains not only nicotine but an MAOI which seems to add quite a bit to it's addictive effects.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16177026

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Post by atlasunshrugged »

Mirioron wrote: post #15
loeg wrote: post #7

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I think the main hurdle is that you have to take a huge pile of money and light it on fire as a sacrifice to the FDA. This obviously limits the number of products and vendors that can participate in the market, although it isn't at all clear that it will reduce uptake by non-smokers.

So, the point of this is to reduce competition from smaller companies?

I think the point is to make sure that no one dies or is hurt - the FDA takes a very strong view on preventing injury and death, not always weighting the opposite side of the coin of people who are already dying or being hurt (ex. taking years to approve drugs that have a high likelihood of helping more people than they hurt, but not doing so until being as close to totally sure as possible to try to prevent new deaths/injury)
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