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Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by dragonwriter »

radcon wrote: post #69
sarcasmatwork wrote: post #7

Youtube updating its policy to ban videos they have already monetized from, while the creators get nothing. Youtube is a monopoly. Creators need to get off YT, and onto something else if it exists.

> Creators need to get off YT, and onto something else if it exists. The most common response to this is that a YouTube alternative can't exist because Google operates it at a loss (unverifiable), so anyone who tries to compete will fail. The YouTube business model also aligns perfectly with Google's strengths: Advertising, data storage, search, etc. So even if it is profitable, it would still be extremely difficult…

> The YouTube business model also aligns perfectly with Google's strengths:

The things people want an alternative for are central to YouTube’s business model, so an alternative that would have any chance of not duplicating the problems would not be trying to duplicate that business model.

One alternative would be a basic creator-pays model which provides the option for creators to require viewer payment for some or all content with a cut of viewer payment received going to the platfrom as well as all of the creator payment going that way.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by Zak »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #64

Or thinkspot becomes the youtube killer and we all continue on https://www.ts.today/ edit: I have no idea how thinkspot is going to play out. But if I know one thing about the internet it's that it's really hard to stop people from using it however they please. Attempts to squash mostly just result a shift of where it occurs, not the fact that it occurs.

> I have no idea how thinkspot is going to play out.

I do. The uncensored alternative to a popular platform consistently attracts all the toxic users, making it a place nobody else wants to go. Voat is a relatively recent high-profile example.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by officeplant »

jasode wrote: post #43
skrebbel wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vimeo?

An example of Vimeo terminating an account of a guy reviewing rat traps after he paid Vimeo's $240 fee: deep link: https://youtu.be/GGMdrBEumLE?t=87

Big fan of his channel. It's so fucking stupid how a simple educational channel on mouse traps (and other types of pest traps) can run into a wall of censorship and demonetization.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by [deleted] »

jrockway wrote: post #67
nudpiedo wrote: post #49

Not anymore a conspiracy theory. This is the actual big brother modeling our futures, a group of people powerful enough, with their own interests and their own agenda with access to most peoples minds/lives, and who already publicly explained how they plan to influence on global geopolitics and society building. I find it disturbing this level of censorship. At first, it was pedophiles, murders and violent criminal a…

I don't think anyone is stopping you from putting your hacking video on your own website and letting users download it. That would be censorship. This is merely an aggregator/community that doesn't want to pay to distribute your content. So pay someone else!

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Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by insickness »

rubicon33 wrote: post #79
nudpiedo wrote: post #49

Not anymore a conspiracy theory. This is the actual big brother modeling our futures, a group of people powerful enough, with their own interests and their own agenda with access to most peoples minds/lives, and who already publicly explained how they plan to influence on global geopolitics and society building. I find it disturbing this level of censorship. At first, it was pedophiles, murders and violent criminal a…

I could definitely get behind your point if the subject were the government. It's not, though I understand the sentiment is the same. At the end of the day YouTube is a private company. Yea, a very big one with huge reach, but private nonetheless. Taking a subjective moral position is something companies have been doing for a long time. If you disagree with them, don't give them your $ (don't use youtube).

Marsh v. Alabama, 326 U.S. 501 (1946), was a case decided by the United States Supreme Court, in which it ruled that a state trespassing statute could not be used to prevent the distribution of religious materials on a town's sidewalk, even though the sidewalk was part of a privately owned company town. The Court based its ruling on the provisions of the First Amendment and Fourteenth Amendment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_v._Alabama

> "Ownership does not always mean absolute dominion. The more an owner, for his advantage, opens up his property for use by the public in general, the more do his rights become circumscribed by the statutory and constitutional rights of those who use it."

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by la_barba »

Not entirely unexpected now that YouTube has grown up and can't be seen hanging out with certain folks by the other grownups in the room. Another example of this trend of getting popular on the backs of the same nerd/geek/hacker/counter-culture/ people who are then deemed unfit to be part of the community, one they become the minority (and hence wont affect your bottom line).

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by britch »

Remember this next time Alphabet execs claim YouTube is a neutral platform and that they can't be held responsible for what's posted.

Radicalization and harassment is ok because it makes them money.

Cyber-security education is a threat to rich and powerful interests, so it is taken down.

They've had their finger on the scale for a long time.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by nudpiedo »

jrockway wrote: post #67
nudpiedo wrote: post #49

Not anymore a conspiracy theory. This is the actual big brother modeling our futures, a group of people powerful enough, with their own interests and their own agenda with access to most peoples minds/lives, and who already publicly explained how they plan to influence on global geopolitics and society building. I find it disturbing this level of censorship. At first, it was pedophiles, murders and violent criminal a…

I don't think anyone is stopping you from putting your hacking video on your own website and letting users download it. That would be censorship. This is merely an aggregator/community that doesn't want to pay to distribute your content. So pay someone else!

Try to make viral anything you want without the cooperation of silicon valley big tech club. Unfortunately, I lack the data but I am sure these companies are covering the biggest part of the mass distribution channels and current personal telecommunications, especially since whatsapp surpassed phone calls and texts.

In the other hand, they built a social image and I wouldn't wonder that the ones out of the most' platform will become the new parias and they will be less trusted and less accessible, harder to find etc.

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