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OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

#81

Post by sogubsys »

stonogo wrote: post #11

OpenBSD will download your wifi firmware during first boot (post-install) if there is a configured internet connection (i.e. ethernet).

You're correct. My complaint was about installation time.

I thought there was an instance where I saw all the access points somehow during the installer, but unsure how I did that... and I couldn't replicate it.

I suspected that I had wired ethernet configured, and then the installer downloaded firmware to configure wireless? It was just a guess, I didn't look more into it.

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

#82

Post by maxerickson »

NortySpock wrote: post #42
lone_haxx0r wrote: post #39

I hate the fact that Thinkpads are the laptops with the best OpenBSD support. I dislike Thinkpads for two reasons: - They're made by Lenovo. A couple of years ago, Lenovo bundled malware in the BIOS of their laptops [superfish incident]. For that reason, I won't ever again buy a single product from them, since I can't trust them. - They're ugly. I find most current laptops ugly, so this may be my fault, and by itself…

Ugly like a Thinkpad is normally, or ugly even for a Thinkpad? Because I would normally put the Thinkpad in a "a design only an engineer could love" category.

What do you think of the X series?

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/c/t...

The primary design element is that they are black, other than that they are sort of generic (and hey, a black computer is pretty generic).

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by sogubsys »

user00012-ab wrote: post #45

This article is what is wrong with bsd/linux. You have to write an article about all the things you did to get your desktop to just work like any normal desktop works out of the box. In a normal world, the article should read "I installed bsd, and just used my computer to do something useful."

There's more to it. It isn't a "Use OpenBSD, everything else sucks", it was simply "I used OpenBSD on a Thinkpad T420 and let me tell you about it".

I also posted about that I tried Linux (Ubuntu), FreeBSD, and OpenBSD on the laptop before deciding on OpenBSD. It wasn't made out of stubbornness.

It was simply the right choice for me for that laptop. And I shared my experience getting it up to a state I was used to with my previous Linux workstation (that this laptop replaced).

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

#84

Post by colechristensen »

bitwize wrote: post #60
dijit wrote: post #2

I like openbsd. I like their attitude (even if many don’t) I like what they’ve given to the UNIX-likes, and what they strip away due to complexity (removal of Bluetooth) or lack of decent UX (wpa_supplicant), or just potential issues (removal of Hyperthreading) I know it’s probably controversial to mention it; but I’m also glad they didn’t buy into the code of conduct saga that waved over FreeBSD and eventually Linux…

Projects without a code of conduct are either immature or led by reactionaries, and in either case have a much higher risk of toxicity. If you want to get something done in a communitarian fashion, implementing, clearly stating, and enforcing rules of conduct is an absolute must.

This is an extreme position and an unsurprising sign of the times.

Rule-of-law for social interactions in a collaborative work environment are perhaps useful or a preference, but they are not an "absolute" requirement, that is ridiculous.

Moral codes were once the primary enemy for people seeking progress and freedom from unrecognized but forced moral authorities (the Church in the west). The same people almost immediately after overthrowing that authority and code seek to enact one of their own.

This is just a tragic lack of vision.

If the perceived issue is that the "other" moral codes are immoral, mine are better, it is not a matter of freedom vs oppression but one oppressor vs another. People apparently have been frightfully unaware and incognizant of what they have been fighting for.

Moral law is for a less evolved time. Progress isn't making the codes better but leaving them behind unnecessary.

Telling people to be nice in a git repository is fine, acting like a rigid social code of conduct is an absolute need is a dark sign of the future to come.

I'm no anarchist but good god, the normalization of leftist oppression is scary. (I don't think I'm overreacting)

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by leftyted »

calcifer wrote: post #51
dijit wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wrote a blog post about it but it was used against me by an interviewer at riot games. So I unpublished it. Essentially it boils down to outlawing vague arrays of behaviour that can apply to essentially anyone and thus must be selectively enforced. I used examples from history surrounding vague laws and the implications that came from that (usually it’s the precursor to huge atrocities or totalitarian regimes. Alth…

> I wrote a blog post about it but it was used against me by an interviewer at riot games. Honestly? That sounds like the system is working as intended. I'm not from the US, never been there, and I wouldn't want the author of such a post on my team either.

...you say this not having read the post or met the person who wrote it.

In theory I have nothing against codes of conduct. In practice they are too often vague and written by the perennially-offended.

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by 1f60c »

colechristensen wrote: post #84
bitwize wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Projects without a code of conduct are either immature or led by reactionaries, and in either case have a much higher risk of toxicity. If you want to get something done in a communitarian fashion, implementing, clearly stating, and enforcing rules of conduct is an absolute must.

This is an extreme position and an unsurprising sign of the times. Rule-of-law for social interactions in a collaborative work environment are perhaps useful or a preference, but they are not an "absolute" requirement, that is ridiculous. Moral codes were once the primary enemy for people seeking progress and freedom from unrecognized but forced moral authorities (the Church in the west). The same people almost immed…

“Asking people to treat each other with respect” is “leftist oppression” now?

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by yellowapple »

hnnmzh wrote: post #41
lone_haxx0r wrote: post #39

I hate the fact that Thinkpads are the laptops with the best OpenBSD support. I dislike Thinkpads for two reasons: - They're made by Lenovo. A couple of years ago, Lenovo bundled malware in the BIOS of their laptops [superfish incident]. For that reason, I won't ever again buy a single product from them, since I can't trust them. - They're ugly. I find most current laptops ugly, so this may be my fault, and by itself…

also - they no longer use T40 style keyboards, which are the best.

The chiclet keyboard on my T470 is still pretty great, though.

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by School-Cotton »

user00012-ab wrote: post #45

This article is what is wrong with bsd/linux. You have to write an article about all the things you did to get your desktop to just work like any normal desktop works out of the box. In a normal world, the article should read "I installed bsd, and just used my computer to do something useful."

The OpenBSD project has a list of stated goals, and “easy to install on an arbitrary laptop” is not one of them. Nor is “compete with major desktop OSs for mass adoption”.

I love the BSDs but for daily use on a laptop I would prefer macOS by far. How is failing to perfectly fulfill a niche it’s not designed for “what’s wrong” with OpenBSD?

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

#89

Post by yellowapple »

sogubsys wrote: post #76
gbrown_ wrote: post #9

> vmd is cool tech, for sure, but it isn’t that useful to me. It is best if you want to run OpenBSD virtual machines or gimped Linux virtual machines. The use of "gimped" is poor choice of words. It would be better if the author described specifically what fell short for them.

From https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq16.html The following features are available: serial console access to the virtual machines tap(4) interfaces per-VM user/group ownership privilege separation raw, qcow2 and qcow2-derived images dumping and restoring of guest system memory virtual switch management pausing and unpausing VMs The following features are not available at this time: graphics snapshots guest SMP support…

One thing I've been meaning to try doing (and probably will indeed try doing on my "workhorse" laptop at home, which is currently insufficiently used) is experiment with running X clients from a vmd-managed Linux VM, plus perhaps figuring out a way to stream audio in/out of the VM (and - as icing on the cake - video in).

If I can get reasonably decent graphics, sound, and webcam support (in order of importance), I'd be able to return to running OpenBSD on my work laptop (I'm currently unable to do so because there are a couple apps I use daily for work that don't run on OpenBSD).

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

#90

Post by jim-jim-jim »

bitwize wrote: post #68
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you in principle but most of the codes of conduct being pushed during the last major wave had very little to do with that goal. They were clearly targeted at policing users online/offline conduct and values outside of the project rather than fixing any active issues for that project.

A person who's a dick outside the official channels is much more likely to be a dick on the official channels also. Tolerating such people is inimical to creating a welcoming community, as they pose considerable risk of disrupting development activity and intimidating people who are or might potentially be making valuable contributions.

Do all projects have to be "welcoming" though? Sometimes I wonder if OpenBSD (and other projects that emphasize simplicity) are as good as they are precisely because they seem to attract opinionated, blunt developers with thick hides.
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