ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains • Hacker News Board

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by enobrev » Mon, Jul 01, 2019, 9:33 PM UTC

horsawlarway wrote: post #78

danShumway wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Annual payment is proof that you're still alive. I don't want my domains sold after I die, and I don't want my bookmarks to stop working after someone else dies. The only parts of a website that I want tied to someone's lifespan is: - whether or not the site is updated, and - how the site is hosted If I could snap my fingers and magically figure out a way to make the site's hosting outlive the person, I'd do that a…

Your vision sounds pretty terrible. At a very cursory glance it seems fine - I don't want my information web to degrade. Once you dig even a little bit into this, though... you get a quagmire of old and useless information. Outdated sites never go away. They just become a constant burden on the whole system. Information that's been refuted and invalidated years back is still alive and kicking because a domain exists…

I think it would be absolutely incredible to peruse old blogs and websites from a century ago. Clippings from 75 year old newspapers or letters are interesting for plenty of reasons. The cost of things; The news of the day; The writing style. Imagine direct access to this sort of content from 750 years ago!

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by klez » Mon, Jul 01, 2019, 9:35 PM UTC

jedberg wrote: post #68

soulofmischief wrote: post #46

> This is despite only six out of over 3,000 comments being in favor of removing price caps. Oh.. okay. Seems totally fair. If ICANN et al. want to charge an arm and a leg from non-profits seeking a .org domain on a public utility, I guess we can say goodbye to the prestige generally associated with that extension.

And all six were written by lobbyists for Verisign.

It's a shame you're being downvoted, considering there was a post here last week proving this very fact.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by nixpulvis » Mon, Jul 01, 2019, 9:35 PM UTC

pmlnr wrote: post #7

The whole decentralize everything! movement seems to overlook DNS. I get that technically the DNS system is decentralized, but in reality, you lease a domain from a random, usually politically charged entity, who can do anything with it, if they wish. We need a real DNS system, one where an individual can request and have a domain for life and which is truly decentralized. Unfortunately none of the attempts - .onion…

Remember, there only 2 real hard problems in computer science. Cache invalidation and naming things.

P.S. I'll add, that on the issue of a personal identifier, we need to remember that not everyone wants a public address. In fact most people keep this kind of information quite private. A virtual address is no different, unless we explicitly make two kinds.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by enobrev » Mon, Jul 01, 2019, 9:35 PM UTC

danShumway wrote: post #43

I'm slowly starting to suspect that maybe having human-readable names for domains is a mistake. Partially because phishing domains is already kind of easy (the rapid increase in tlds isn't helping ), partially because the race to grab and hold names has been having increasing negative effects, and partially because (aside from domains) many actual URLs are already impossible to remember. We're running into the same p…

There's nothing stopping any of us from using a sha-n hash or uuid as a domain name now. Would definitely make domain searches for new projects a hell of a lot easier.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by ailideex » Mon, Jul 01, 2019, 10:03 PM UTC

CameronNemo wrote: post #37

ailideex wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Claim from the site you linked to is not the same as your claim: > Renewals for names are annual and cost a standard network fee. Miners will receive the transaction fee as part of their block reward. This could mean: - Fixed USD fee (it is not this one) - Fixed coin fee (don't think it is this one either) - but coin price is marked based - so fee is market based - Price does not depend on domain name but miners basi…

Can you explain how the miners can price discriminate against certain domains? Seems like the network fee would need to be identical for every concurrent transaction.

I don't know exact details, but if it works like bitcoin miners can refuse to put renewals in blocks if the fees is not high enough.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by ailideex » Mon, Jul 01, 2019, 10:04 PM UTC

cameronbrown wrote: post #57

ailideex wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you decide which person get which name? This just gets you back to the whole ICANN problem. I can remember a couple of digits which makes my name unique. I cannot remember 1e873645-1f68-4b48-9eae-934ec717229b

That's just a technical problem that new infrastructure can solve by abstracting away the name. Instead of visiting 1e873645-1f68-4b48-9eae-934ec717229b.com/foo, you're just visiting "bar/foo", where 'bar' is their name. Click on the URL and the full hashed version is revealed for proper sharing. In the same way that nobody memorised Facebook's UUID of a person, they can just remember their name.

And then we are back to the problem of deciding who gets what name

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by kristopolous » Mon, Jul 01, 2019, 10:09 PM UTC

walrus01 wrote: post #26

ailideex wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Giving .Amazon to the company and not the brazilian-peruvian group that wanted to run it was really a fine example of icann in the year 2019. Not to be that guy - but why should the brazilian-peruvian group have gotten it instead? If you said that the actual group of mythical woman should have gotten it I would say maybe you have a point, but then we would have to first figure out how mythical creatures can own thi…

Personally I think it's a bad idea for any corporation to have a whole gtld, Amazon or otherwise.

it's been like this since the 90s though. Things like .CX, .TV etc were managed by small firms who bought the rights and thought they could make megabucks with it ...

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by ailideex » Mon, Jul 01, 2019, 10:10 PM UTC

salawat wrote: post #29

ailideex wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Giving .Amazon to the company and not the brazilian-peruvian group that wanted to run it was really a fine example of icann in the year 2019. Not to be that guy - but why should the brazilian-peruvian group have gotten it instead? If you said that the actual group of mythical woman should have gotten it I would say maybe you have a point, but then we would have to first figure out how mythical creatures can own thi…

>Not to be that guy - but why should the brazilian-peruvian group have gotten it instead? News flash: You're being that guy. They have a far more legitimate claim because they administer the majority of the geological zone known as the Amazon Basin, and have since long before Amazon the company was a twinkle in Bezos' eye? I mean... I'm hoping you were being tongue-in-cheek... Nowadays it seems to be getting more dif…

> They have a far more legitimate claim because they administer the majority of the geological zone known as the Amazon Basin, and have since long before Amazon the company was a twinkle in Bezos' eye?

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/25/amazon_domain_kindl...

> And this week, we got to see the end result of those negotiations. According to a letter [PDF] sent by the Amazon Cooperation Treaty Organization's (ACTO) – which has been in talks with the mega-corporation for more than a year - Amazon offered to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Cooperation_Treaty_Orga...

> Established 1995

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_(company)

> July 5, 1994;

Got them beat by at least some months ...

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by ailideex » Mon, Jul 01, 2019, 10:11 PM UTC

salawat wrote: post #62

privateSFacct wrote: post #35

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The word Amazon is an English word from Latin from Greek. It goes WAY back before peruvian groups were calling the Amazon the Amazon. Secondly, the idea that peruvian groups called the Río Marañón and Rio Solimões the Amazon before it was called the Amazon in english seems a bit unlikely.

Given the tech world seems to have centralized around English as the lingua franca as it were, I believe this argument can be safely dismissed. Further, if they didn't want it, they were free to not contest it. They contested it. Given the circumstances, I see no leg to stand on to deny a more legitimate claim being held by Peruvians.

> Further, if they didn't want it, they were free to not contest it. They contested it. Given the circumstances, I see no leg to stand on to deny a more legitimate claim being held by Peruvians.

I'm not sure I see why someone contesting it makes them have a valid claim.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by harshitaneja » Mon, Jul 01, 2019, 10:22 PM UTC

enobrev wrote: post #81

horsawlarway wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your vision sounds pretty terrible. At a very cursory glance it seems fine - I don't want my information web to degrade. Once you dig even a little bit into this, though... you get a quagmire of old and useless information. Outdated sites never go away. They just become a constant burden on the whole system. Information that's been refuted and invalidated years back is still alive and kicking because a domain exists…

I think it would be absolutely incredible to peruse old blogs and websites from a century ago. Clippings from 75 year old newspapers or letters are interesting for plenty of reasons. The cost of things; The news of the day; The writing style. Imagine direct access to this sort of content from 750 years ago!

That's why we have wayback machine. Or we use another way to archive it.