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Re: PiHole-Google: Completely Block Google and Its Services

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I would like to simply block irrelevant YouTube ads while my toddler indulges in ‘Land before time’ episodes. Is that possible? Last time I checked they use some randomised domains to load ads...

A router with dnsmasq, it supports wilcards, but devices can only use your router as DNS for it to work.

Re: PiHole-Google: Completely Block Google and Its Services

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post #55
post #53

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I think it's safe to say that 99.999% of people do not share your bizarre youtube-watching setup. I think it's also safe to say that the 60s-ish master craftsman featured is never even going to attempt to cut down his demonstrative, highly visual content to fit in an inferior, limited blog post. I don't even know what your point is. How about you try not watching videos through a VM with no sound.

True. But even if I had sound, I'd pick text over video. I don't have the patience for unedited rambling. I don't have sound because it'd be a security vulnerability. Given that my wife has a mobile on 24/7.

Do you or did you consume all of educational content through static text and images only? Or maybe, just maybe, a lot of things were explained and shown to you?

Re: PiHole-Google: Completely Block Google and Its Services

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This is a nice idea, but the one thing I haven't been able to divorce myself from is YouTube. I really hate how Google has allowed such a wealth of constant information that completely dwarfs alternative video hosting sites. As censorious as Google can be(now "up next" is always some video from CNN or Fox), blocking YouTube from my network would mean cutting myself off from a large portion of the world.

It’s fascinating how differently the YouTube algorithm treats people. I've not once seen a Fox or CNN video recommended, I didn't even know they had a presence on YouTube

It thinks I’m addicted to opiates because of the suboxone ads it presents, only because sometimes I listen to 90’s techno, rave music.

Re: PiHole-Google: Completely Block Google and Its Services

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post #73

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It's folly to think an account is the only way for advertisers and retailers to identify and track you. Signing up for an account is just more explicitly forking over and sharing data. But you're being tracked by every possible method, and it is possible to piece together the remaining information.

Where is your evidence? Did you even read my comment? The typical pihole lists already include tracking domains. What you imply is that if I visit youtube.com with tracking disabled, they still create a profile of me. Then tell me, what unique identifier do they use?

Browser fingerprint, referrers, available cookies, IP address immediately come to mind.

Re: PiHole-Google: Completely Block Google and Its Services

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Where is your evidence? Did you even read my comment? The typical pihole lists already include tracking domains. What you imply is that if I visit youtube.com with tracking disabled, they still create a profile of me. Then tell me, what unique identifier do they use?

Browser fingerprint, referrers, available cookies, IP address immediately come to mind.

OK, but how do you account for changing IP-Addresses? You would need to take one identifier that never changes.

Maybe they have machine learning which combines a couple of factors and then create long-term profiles based on the likelihood of some data belonging to the same person.

That would be illegal though.

Re: PiHole-Google: Completely Block Google and Its Services

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The problem is that JS Fonts and other CDNed stuff won't load and websites will hang or work weird - particularly Stackoverflow. Bc it's all over https you can't MITM it and inject your own with OpenWRT/piholes. Decentraleyes (a Firefox browser extension) fixes some of this, but not all. If anyone has any additional suggestions, please let me know (it makes life bearable in China without a VPN)

Speaking as someone in china on business at the moment, does anything really make like in China bearable with out a VPN.

Re: PiHole-Google: Completely Block Google and Its Services

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I clear my YouTube search and watch history about once a week. Partly because of privacy, but also because a single binge of, say, metal casting videos does not mean I want them recommend ever again in the future.

They use browser fingerprinting and/or IP addresses as well. Even on a brand new browser session, doing something even slightly related to the previous session brings back its entire recommendation history.

How does that work at, say, the library, or some other public internet kiosk? Or maybe they're just assuming these are edge cases today, amidst the billions of private browser instances on handhelds?

Re: PiHole-Google: Completely Block Google and Its Services

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s fascinating how differently the YouTube algorithm treats people. I've not once seen a Fox or CNN video recommended, I didn't even know they had a presence on YouTube

It thinks I’m addicted to opiates because of the suboxone ads it presents, only because sometimes I listen to 90’s techno, rave music.

Not Google, but Twitter thinks I’m a 45 old married male with 3 kids

I’m 39, divorced, and have 2 kids

It’s almost as if the big data sales pitch is an epic joke like nuclear powered everything being pitched in the 50s

Re: PiHole-Google: Completely Block Google and Its Services

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Browser fingerprint, referrers, available cookies, IP address immediately come to mind.

OK, but how do you account for changing IP-Addresses? You would need to take one identifier that never changes. Maybe they have machine learning which combines a couple of factors and then create long-term profiles based on the likelihood of some data belonging to the same person. That would be illegal though.

That’s what shadow profiles are: they are not necessarily illegal (depends on jurisdiction, illegal under GDPR), they act on probabilities (this particular set of data identifies a person and is significantly different from/similar to other sets of data), they look for patterns in data and behaviour (a user with browser fingerprint A from Pasadena that looks at youtube videos of category X yesterday and today is likely to be the same person even if IP changes)

Re: PiHole-Google: Completely Block Google and Its Services

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post #74

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I clear my YouTube search and watch history about once a week. Partly because of privacy, but also because a single binge of, say, metal casting videos does not mean I want them recommend ever again in the future.

One thing this opens you up to is the average recommendation, which is biased towards inflammatory or click-bait content.

I do it every week as well and the recommendations start off being seeded from my subscriptions, not from the trending tab.
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