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An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by tomxor »

catmanjan wrote: post #16
rbrtdrmpc- wrote: post #13

Please to all the posters, stick your head out of your butt for a sec, this Iran thing is not something related to just some poor dev unable to publish on their store, it is a world wide dumb reaction all started from the USA foreign agenda. I'll give you an example to highlight how f'd up is the situation, in Italy, country with a quite respectful relation with Iran, banks started kicking out clients (with a one mon…

That is straight up racism.

> That is straight up racism.

More specifically discrimination of nationality, but almost the same as discrimination of race in this case. Either way, it's not fair on any of the people affected.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by izacus »

enedil wrote: post #66
izacus wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the practical difference? You're being punished due to a place you've been born in. Not something you did wrong. Just a luck of nature. And that's wrong. By any moral standard.

If you're in a place where being woman is disadvantageous, would you call such disadvantage "racist"? Clearly it fits your description. If you think it's wrong, then I agree with you. If you think it's racist, then no way, it isn't and you just don't know the words you use.

Is that the most useful direction you could take this debate? Will changing the word for the same thing change anything? Racist, sexist, nationalist, whatever, people are having their livelihoods broken and you want to debate grammar?

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by dingoegret »

cwperkins wrote: post #71

This is a touchy subject because it gets into the realm of the people are not the regime. Its terrible that everyone gets wrapped up in international conflicts, but I always have to ask what is an alternative plan? In the case with China, no amount of diplomacy would have worked to get them to renegotiate on trade. I'm not sure about other posters on HN, but I know I personally am strongly for stopping nuclear prolif…

You'll never get them to give it up. The US and China are major threats and the actions of those two powers have bolstered not diminished the idea that countries need nuclear deterrent. If the US wants to change things, it must change it's behavior.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by miracle2k »

cwperkins wrote: post #71

This is a touchy subject because it gets into the realm of the people are not the regime. Its terrible that everyone gets wrapped up in international conflicts, but I always have to ask what is an alternative plan? In the case with China, no amount of diplomacy would have worked to get them to renegotiate on trade. I'm not sure about other posters on HN, but I know I personally am strongly for stopping nuclear prolif…

Then you should know that the people who wanted the US to drop the Non-Proliferation deal with Iran known as the JCPOA did so because they are willing to put geopolitical considerations, specifically alignment with Israel and Saudi Arabia, before proliferation concerns. To put it another way, if the had to choose, they would choose a weak isolated Iran with nukes over a strong one that could build nukes but doesn't.

You see that happening right now with Iran ramping up enrichment again, and if they play their cards right, they can absolutely go the North Korea route and get it done.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by wazoox »

The author of the great app "City Producer" is French, born in Iran. He fled Iran as a child 40 years ago. He was invited to present his app to Tim Cook at Apple's HQ; however as he's born in Iran he can't enter the US, any time, ever. Never mind he and his parents actually fled the regime. Never mind he isn't an Iran passport holder.

This is US foreign policy. Bullish and stupid.

So this isn't really a problem with Apple or Google; it's a problem with the way US enforces sanctions on countries.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by DomreiRoam »

bsaul wrote: post #29
mcherm wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is straight up racism >> No it's not, [banks are scared if the US] Yes, banks are scared of the US. And perhaps the racism stems from the Italian bank, perhaps it stems from the US government, perhaps it stems from the Iranian definition of citizenship, perhaps all share a part of the blame. But regardless of who gets the blame, it most definitely IS straight up racism.

So, racism now doesn't mean race ? Or does race includes nationality in your definition ?

By definition it is more xenophobia than racism according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia .

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by bhouston »

pfortuny wrote: post #56
rbrtdrmpc- wrote: post #13

Please to all the posters, stick your head out of your butt for a sec, this Iran thing is not something related to just some poor dev unable to publish on their store, it is a world wide dumb reaction all started from the USA foreign agenda. I'll give you an example to highlight how f'd up is the situation, in Italy, country with a quite respectful relation with Iran, banks started kicking out clients (with a one mon…

This is really upsetting: it is exactly what happened elsewhere like 80 years ago: laws against people just because of their birth conditions. Edit: and people abiding by them because “it is the law”...

This is wrong what is going on and we should talk about it, but please stay away from Godwin'ing this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by Alir3z4 »

sarbaz wrote: post #69
Alir3z4 wrote: post #9

It's not even about being in Iran, you can be anywhere and they will hunt you down and will try everything in their power to make you suffer more. I've written about my own experience at https://alireza.gonevis.com/how-i-didnt-get-my-first-paying-...

I have to ask: why not find an Emirati friend you trust and have them be the owners of the business and you an employee? It sounds like it would be less costly.

I had that Emirati friend to employ me on several companies of his and employment permit/visa was getting rejected or being "under processing" for +1 years. I've applied in Dubai, Ajman and Sharjah. All with the same result.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by dingoegret »

bronzeage wrote: post #14

Iranians need to realize that if they don't anything now about their oppressive regime, they might never be able to. look at China, with their social score, Mass face recognition tech and surveillance. If there were no sanctions, you would be heading the same way. even with santions, it's just a matter of time until every authoritarian Regime in the world is impossible to overthrow. China will export its 1984 tech to…

You are delusional if you actually think this obvious attempt to manipulate the Iranian people and compel them to violence will work. This by far a new low for America

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by DoreenMichele »

r3bl wrote: post #78
DoreenMichele wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My general impression, that I don't know how to back up, is that the last Shah of Iran was overthrown, fled the country and died in exile in part because Iranians viewed him as a puppet of the US. Sanctions against Iran in some form or another go back decades, likely rooted in those events. I think Iran perceives itself to be fighting for its right to self determination. I don't think this is likely to be resolved wi…

Keep in mind that an extraordinary amount of current population of Iran are in their teens or early adulthood. They can only be tampered for so long before they start to fight back (as an example, look up the resistance against hijabs in Iran). The best thing us outsiders can do to help them out is to provide them with an unlimited access to the information, not the opposite. The amount of young people that are willi…

I'm not talking about patriotism. I'm talking about the Iranian view that America came into their country to interfere with their self determination, they kicked us out and we are still interfering with their self determination via sanctions -- like an abusive parent that continues to stalk an adult child who fled home.

Given that the US gives Iranian Nationals no means to get free of the black mark against them for simply having been born there, they don't have to feel any loyalty whatsoever to their country to be intensely against what the US is doing to them.

See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20302694

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