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Re: The Toyota Way

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They should call this "The Deming Way" since most of it sounds identical to Deming's management philosophy and he taught Toyota back in the 1960s[1]. His system also had 14 points, which probably isn't a coincidence[2]. [1] https://blog.deming.org/2016/10/toyotas-management-history/ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_Deming

Pretty sure that Deming and Taiichi Ohno both are responsible for the creation of these ideas, and they both learned from each other and improved. Which is why eventually it looks very similar looking at it from either side.

Re: The Toyota Way

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That shit works only if you are Japanese.... Have Japanese mentality and work culture... Also your product is a car.. Or something tangable made on a production line.... Agile IS the Toyota way... Or at least tries to be

While it don’t think it was ever applied to GM as a whole, the NUMMI plant in Fremont was able to use many of the Toyota principles when it was run as joint GM-Toyota venture, using UAW workers. The tragedy was that GM executives didn’t understand or care about transferring lessons learned there to other parts of the organization, until it was too late.

Of course, you can’t minimize the different financial environments Japan and US have for manufacturers...

Re: The Toyota Way

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire decades-long overseas diversion saga surrounding American Toyota pickups has always fascinated me. Top Gear did an episode [0] trying to destroy a Toyota Hilux (similar to the Land Cruiser) and literally couldn't, which explains why it's so popular with terrorists. It's a worthwhile watch if you want to see truck survive after being drowned in water, fire, and the rubble of a demolished skyscraper. Say wha…

Now - if only you could buy a small , durable truck in the US.

The Tacoma is as small as they come now

Re: The Toyota Way

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In the 1960s, my father was a manufacturing engineer for BigTechFirm (this was back when BigTechFirms built actual stuff, rather than trafficking in webshit). On the shop floor, there were A, B, and C workers on a line in descending order of skill level required and roughly ascending order of available workers. It was a true assembly line model. I believe the A and B workers had more variety to their work but the C workers had precisely one job, like putting two parts together along a joint or tightening a specific set of screws. This introduced problems in the line when a C worker got sick: the line would be held up entirely while a substitute was trained and then the substitute would perform much more poorly than the sick worker.

My father's bright idea was to give each C worker a workbench and train them in several jobs, then have them perform all those jobs in one phase of the assembly. That way, if a C worker got sick, because all of their colleagues knew all the jobs that worker had to do, the line would be held up much less.

Upper management passed on my dad's idea back then -- but it became all the rage in the 1980s when it was rediscovered in the Toyota model, part of the massive fad for "Japanese management techniques" that prevailed back then.

I keep this story in mind when I have to deal with agileshit at a company whose management had apparently never heard of The Mythical Man-Month.

Re: The Toyota Way

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A lot of this was covered in "The Phoenix Project". A good read but a bit idealistic in the expected outcome. The fake company was essentially able to right the sinking ship after the band had already stopped playing, in 2 quarters no less. However, the core tenets were valid from a general approach. My fear when reading was the potential to go overboard. We have all met over-zealous scrum masters. Same could be appl…

I read The Phoenix Project several times, but compared with The Goal it has very little to teach you. It is a nice story, easy to relate, but extremely hard to understand what is it that needs to be done at an organization to move it through this kind of change. IMHO it is much easier to follow and learn a process of improvement in Goldratt's books.

Actually, the full title of "The Goal" is "The Goal: A Process of ongoing Improvement". Goldratt used to call it POOGI.

Re: The Toyota Way

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A lot of this was covered in "The Phoenix Project". A good read but a bit idealistic in the expected outcome. The fake company was essentially able to right the sinking ship after the band had already stopped playing, in 2 quarters no less. However, the core tenets were valid from a general approach. My fear when reading was the potential to go overboard. We have all met over-zealous scrum masters. Same could be appl…

It's worth reading The Goal as The Phoenix Project is somewhat based on it. The Goal introduces the idea of Theory of Constraints in a similar novelized form, and The Phoenix Project takes ToC and applies it to information systems/software work. There's overlap between ToC and the Toyota Way (Toyota Production System, Lean, etc.) as all are based on taking a systems view of things, and place a great deal of emphasis…

There are also a bunch of very nice books about TLS, which stands for "Theory of Constraints + Lean + Six Sigma".

For example books by Bob Sproull and books by Bruce Nelson.

Re: The Toyota Way

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Though of course in traditional theory the company should be run for the shareholders rather than the executives. It's a bit of a flaw in the system if they can extract large bonuses while tanking the stock. Maybe the government could write some laws that bonuses have to be held in escrow for a while to check the company survives. (And in more modern views maybe you should worry about the other stakeholders too.)

I disagree that it's a "flaw". It is the natural consequence of an ideology, where we ascribe proportionate value to the contributions of executives and marginal value to the contributions of everyone else. Since we believe that executives are the ones creating the wealth, it is just that the wealth flows out of the company and towards them. Executives giveth and executives taketh away.

>Since we believe that executives are the ones creating the wealth

I wonder how many people actually believe that.

Re: The Toyota Way

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"The Machine That Changed the World" is a wonderful title on this. Kiichiro Toyoda invented the lean production model after coming to the states and studying the inefficiencies of the assembly lines of Ford. This was a process dependent on modularizing every manufacturing component due to a demand for the Toyota company to serve a market with a need for an immense variety of vehicles, and giving teams ownership of th…

Ironically Toyota now has longer product lives than many other mainstream manufacturers. The Camry and Corolla are on roughly 6 year product lifecycles. The 4Runner has barely changed in 10 years.

> The 4Runner has barely changed in 10 years.

To be fair, that may be a purposeful design decision.

I consider the fact that the 4Runner can trace its way back to a 1980s Hilux that Top Gear dropped off a building (and still survived) to be nothing but good for its likely reliability.

Similarly, its primarily dial-based dashboard (as opposed to the touch-screen everywhere fad right now), truck-based suspension, and off-road performance (all things that could point to it being a rather much for a city car) to be its primary selling points.

Additionally, why change what sells so well? They sell ~140,000 4Runners a year, vs all of the Lexus models combined being ~40,000.

I can't comment on the Camry/Corolla as I've never owned one.

Re: The Toyota Way

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How do you maintain "Principle 1" while being a publicly traded company? The way the stock market is designed (and the fact that stockholders often get to appoint the board who gets to appoint the CEO) means they're going to put short term profits over long term viability. Many companies have been ruined and continue to be ruined by this short-term-ism chase for quarterly and yearly profits. For example look at the f…

>How do you maintain "Principle 1" while being a publicly traded company? >The way the stock market is designed... means they're going to put short term profits over long term viability. It's simple: be Japanese and not American. Japanese companies don't have this kind of problem, precisely because they aren't American and their society doesn't value enriching executives over all else, and instead values a stable and…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_public_corporations_by...

Not a single Japanese company, while the lists are dominated by the US ones. What you're saying is nothing other than the ancient TV trope about the difference between Japanese and the Americans (east vs west).

disclaimer: I have 0 ties whatsoever to the US.

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