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Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

#81
post #78

Isn't AMP blatant copyright infringement? If so, how does a website owner demand the infringement to be taken down?

The sites themselves are opting into AMP, I believe. Google isn't just converting the site to AMP automatically. The owners of the site themselves have to add code to their site for it to work with AMP...

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

#82
post #18

Arguably this means that Google is breaking point 11 of their own AMP Cache Guidelines [1]. If I ran any AMP pages, I would be quite upset. 1: https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/blob/master/spec/amp-c...

I think Google is only going to play this "incompatibility" card more and more now that Chrome is the dominant browser.

We need more pushback against Google doing stuff like this, even when at first glance what they push for seems "positive."

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

#83

What if it's not a bug, but Google testing user response (assuming Google is not stupid so Hanlon's razor may not apply)

No tinfoil required. When in doubt about such issues think about whether or not the "bug" or "error" that people found in Google's solutions benefits Google. If it does, then it's much more likely than not that the "bug" was intentional.

At best they wanted to test user reaction, or at worst, they were hoping it wouldn't be discovered (see Wi-Fi scanning, Safari cookies block bypass, tracking Android users' location at all time, even when "disabled", etc).

Don't attribute to stupidity what can easily be explained by profit incentives (did I just invent a new saying/law?!).

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

#84
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AMP should be the first stop on the federal government's antitrust investigation. The sheer unfairness of being granted search priority if you hand over your content to Google is the pinnacle of leveraging monopoly power to gain power in another industry.

What "power in another industry" is being gained?

How is this confusing? What's not clear to you?

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

#85
post #78

Isn't AMP blatant copyright infringement? If so, how does a website owner demand the infringement to be taken down?

The sites themselves are opting into AMP, I believe. Google isn't just converting the site to AMP automatically. The owners of the site themselves have to add code to their site for it to work with AMP...

Oh, I see. Never mind then. I've never used AMP so thought it was automatic for all or most websites on the internet.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

#86
post #66

When I attended the Drupal Europe 2018 conference I had the opportunity to talk to Barb Palser of the AMP global relations team. I asked her in an intentionally innocent way: "I thought AMP is supposed to replace RSS, but from the presentation it seems like it's trying to be a better HTML?" to which she replied yes. I acted all optimistic, so she wouldn't be defensive, but this conversation sent chills down my spine…

Why? AMP was promoted as a better HTML (a "good parts" subset plus a tiny extension) from day 1. It never had anything to do with RSS.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

#87
post #66

When I attended the Drupal Europe 2018 conference I had the opportunity to talk to Barb Palser of the AMP global relations team. I asked her in an intentionally innocent way: "I thought AMP is supposed to replace RSS, but from the presentation it seems like it's trying to be a better HTML?" to which she replied yes. I acted all optimistic, so she wouldn't be defensive, but this conversation sent chills down my spine…

What would it even mean to be better RSS? The idea is sites can preload an AMP page safely so that when you click on it, it can display to the user instantly.

In that specific case, isn’t Barb correct, no chills needed?

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

#88
I'm surprised I haven't seen more discussion on the actual bug in the comments. In the screen capture the user shows, the AMP header shows the link icon in the upper right corner, and when you click it it should show the real URL and let you navigate through (but that's not happening, hence the bug).

However, in my experience the header is totally different. There is an (i) icon in the upper left corner that shows the link when tapped, and the upper right corner shows the share icon and tapping it opens the share dialog. Note this changed for me recently (I used to get the link icon like the poster).

So Google is clearly testing different behavior, which probably led to the bug. In any case, I'd note the version I got that I think the (i) is much less clear than the link icon, and I'm sure the end result is people clicking through to the source site less often. Fuck Google and their aggressive attempts to hijack the web even more than they already have.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

#90
It's ironic to me that AMP is a problem we all brought upon ourselves, really. It's almost (jokingly) a Prisoner's dilemma [1]. Had no one ever opted into it, it probably would have just been swept under the rug by Google, and a win-win for us all. But since a competitor of yours (probably) opted into it to get ahead of you, you now have to opt into it also, to compete and get the same SEO "power juice" it gave them. The fact that everyone now adds the code to their site to make it work with AMP is the problem. Google gave us the rope. And then all the SEO managers/marketers/specialists hung us with it. Ha

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma

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