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iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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What good is an iPhone without access to the App Store?

People bought lots of iPhones before the App Store existed. Before Cydia even existed. They were pretty good. You could send SMS messages, browse the web, take photos, and play it like an iPod even.

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Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Does it show Apple itself? Unlike every other phone platform, iOS does not allow a user to get their GPS location without telling Apple what it was. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207056 "By enabling Location Services for your devices, you agree and consent to the transmission, collection, maintenance, processing, and use of your location data and location search queries by Apple and its partners and licensees to…

Android has over half a dozen settings that must be disabled before the OS actually stops tracking your location and they are spread out to different menus. This is to say nothing of built-in apps like Google maps that have their own location tracking settings which, if changed, return all of the OS settings to their default activated setting. Manufacturers can have their own location services on top of Android’s. Updating Android or firmware means having to find all of the hidden settings again to turn off any that have been reset.

Apple’s policy is in no way unique and iOS settings cannot be implicitly overridden by app settings. The global settings are app-specific. I have location settings on and disabled for every app except Apple Maps, other apps still need explicit permission when they try to use my location.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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I support Apple trying to turn privacy into a major marketing issue, but I think we’ve basically already learned that consumers just do not care.

It’s a trade off between convenience and security. Consumers _do_ care, just not enough to put unusual amounts of effort in. These moves by Apple make it much easier, and could become things consumers expect from their devices, since they don’t have to give up convenience to have them.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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I support Apple trying to turn privacy into a major marketing issue, but I think we’ve basically already learned that consumers just do not care.

I'd modify your idea to say "consumers generally don't make decisions based on privacy alone" -- a much milder take that leaves a lot of room for experimentation in the future.

What evidence do you have that this milder phrasing is justified? Everything I've seen agrees with GP.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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What good is an iPhone without access to the App Store?

People bought lots of iPhones before the App Store existed. Before Cydia even existed. They were pretty good. You could send SMS messages, browse the web, take photos, and play it like an iPod even.

FWIW, before Cydia there was Installer, and before that something whose name I am not quite remembering (and don't care to look up rocky now)... and I am pretty sure it was running on over 50% of all those original iPhones, as people really found it strange to have a cell phone without even a single game (even Nokia candy bar phones had Snake). (But yeah: at least some people clearly still wanted the device. But that was in a world where there wasn't tempting reason to as everything was accessible with a web browser. In 2019, that reality no longer exists, and without access to app store on a smartphone there are many many things you are cut off from.)

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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I support Apple trying to turn privacy into a major marketing issue, but I think we’ve basically already learned that consumers just do not care.

Yeah, but what if the marketing isn’t for consumers?

What if someone at Apple was smart enough to figure out that the rampant abuses perpetrated by privacy-monetizing Silicon Valley et al. were ultimately time-limited and would blow up eventually?

What if Apple’s privacy-focused marketing was aimed at regulators?

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AFAIK, you don't. An iPhone will work fine without signing in to any Apple service and you can opt out of all Apple data collection right in the device. I've set up several testing iDevices for work with no Apple accounts. The only thing you can't do without an Apple account is to use the Apple services like the App Store and iCloud and other paid services. I think even software updates can be done without an account…

What good is an iPhone without access to the App Store?

My dad does not use / allow iOS access to his location on his iPhone. I am nonplussed by this and have tried to convince him of the value and yet he will not enable it.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People bought lots of iPhones before the App Store existed. Before Cydia even existed. They were pretty good. You could send SMS messages, browse the web, take photos, and play it like an iPod even.

FWIW, before Cydia there was Installer, and before that something whose name I am not quite remembering (and don't care to look up rocky now)... and I am pretty sure it was running on over 50% of all those original iPhones, as people really found it strange to have a cell phone without even a single game (even Nokia candy bar phones had Snake). (But yeah: at least some people clearly still wanted the device. But that…

Almost everything still is available in a web browser. There are very few apps I use on my phone that aren't a web browser or system apps.

I think that you should be able to install your own app store like fdroid which doesn't require a sign in.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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I support Apple trying to turn privacy into a major marketing issue, but I think we’ve basically already learned that consumers just do not care.

It’s a trade off between convenience and security. Consumers _do_ care, just not enough to put unusual amounts of effort in. These moves by Apple make it much easier, and could become things consumers expect from their devices, since they don’t have to give up convenience to have them.

“If I would have asked people what they wanted, they would have said a faster horse”

You’re right. If Apple can show people you can have security and it can be easy, people will demand that.

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Android also has a terrible issue with not having good options on this front. You have to either not download the video game that needs open access to your contacts or micromanage some sketchy looking app that will help you “block” these sorts of things.

You can selectively deny permissible requests after the app is installed, but what irritates me is that granting access to my location allows the app to continually track me while it's running in the background (even if you never open the app). I've heard this will change in a future version of Android. I discovered this when I was scrolling through the DTEK app on my BlackBerry, which shows every time an app request…

I don't think background location works anymore. My GPS logger I use for cycling gets killed after about 20 minutes if it isn't the currently open app when I turn off the screen.
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