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The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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Post by masklinn »

fulafel wrote: post #78
necovek wrote: post #52

The article links to an interesting view on how even AOSP is a no-go for Huawei: https://www.xda-developers.com/analysis-huawei-aosp-google-b... What I find interesting is that Apache Licensed software can be relicensed even in proprietary form (as long as you make it a derivative work, with your derivative bits with a proprietary license), thus the easy way out seems to be to have a non-US entity make a proprietary…

Is the article really right in this one? " A country banning its resident companies from engaging in contracts with a specific company breaks how our copyright system works, and as a result, breaks how open source licenses work. -- If Huawei cannot enter into a contract with Google, then they cannot enter into the Apache 2.0 licensing agreement with Google, which means that they would not have a license to distribute…

Software licenses are contracts.

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Post by hutzlibu »

DeonPenny wrote: post #59
hutzlibu wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why is everyone silently accepting that? Also google, are they so bowed down to the government, that they just accept this, or do they know more reasons to declare Huawei a enemy?

Cause china is an authoritian government that hasn't been too nice to america business in recent years. Why would anyone stand up for them now that the illusion of market openness goes away? Google not even allowed in china so why fight on china behave very hard.

Who is talking about standing up for china?

I rather talk standing up for free market. In a free market system the government can't just order companys to stop doing buisness with someone unless very good reasons are provided. I don't see that with Huawei. And china is Authorian? Yeah, so is half the world. But it would be news to me, that only "democracies" are acceptable trade partners.

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Post by tushar-r »

dogma1138 wrote: post #51
harryf wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s possible that Google cutting off Huawei will actually backfire, because it makes having a viable alternative to Android a MUST HAVE instead of just NICE TO HAVE. Perhaps it’s possible to resurrect Blackberry 10 ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_10 ) for example, which seemed to be an impressive piece of engineering that got trampled by Blackberrys failing business. I played with a demo once that could…

Really? Do you think Samsung and LG would be more likely to develop not to mention support an Android competitor? This ban is the best thing that happened to Korean mobile phone manufacturers for years. Huawei was breathing down Sammy’s neck things are looking much bright for them now.

>Do you think Samsung and LG would be more likely to develop not to mention support an Android competitor?

Samsung tried this with Tizen, IIRC:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizen

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Post by mervchan »

dagw wrote: post #40
tech6 wrote: post #39

Can someone explained what happened recently to cause such aggressive action against Huawei with ARM , Google etc refusing to work with them. Is it related to arrest of their executive recently ?

It's part of the US/China trade war. Trump believed the existing tariff situation with China was unfair and wanted to negotiate a new trade deal. When negotiations failed he started to implement a bunch of tariffs and trade restrictions on chines goods and companies to try to force their hand. This is just a part of that 'negotiation' strategy. Google, Arm etc. don't want to stop doing business with Huawei (since doi…

China has disallowed their citizens from using Google, Netflix, Instagram, but everyone's up in arms over Trump stopping the US from doing business with Huawei. I really don't understand this.

https://www.vpnmentor.com/blog/the-complete-list-of-blocked-...

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Post by hutzlibu »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #58
hutzlibu wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why is everyone silently accepting that? Also google, are they so bowed down to the government, that they just accept this, or do they know more reasons to declare Huawei a enemy?

They have no choice except to comply. I worked for a non-Google tech company and there is literally code which prevents users in any sanctioned countries from being able to use the services. Unless Sundar Pichai would like to go to jail, there's very little that they can do about this.

I believe there is something called the legal system? Which companies or people can use to challenge government decisions, if they don't like them. And they can at least openly express their concerns.

But I do not see that hapoening, so something (or quite a lot) is going on behind the scene.

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Post by NotPaidToPost »

rickdeckard wrote: post #68
dogma1138 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? Do you think Samsung and LG would be more likely to develop not to mention support an Android competitor? This ban is the best thing that happened to Korean mobile phone manufacturers for years. Huawei was breathing down Sammy’s neck things are looking much bright for them now.

Not really. The situation is much more opening the space for OTHER Chinese vendors to jump in and grab the market. Samsung is already selling in all channels where Huawei is, so they have their shelf-space allocated already. That slot will not remain vacant. LG can surely grab a bit more business in short-term for sales-channels they were not selling to, because even if they are not in a specific channel, they have p…

EE (owned by BT) launched its 5G lineup in London this week.

They dropped Huawei but had a OnePlus instead.

More Chinese brands pop up every time you try to cut one off ;)

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Post by snaky »

Roritharr wrote: post #9

Google invested Billions into Android. Samsung tried to hedge for this by building Tizen(Bada) and realized how much needed to be invested to get an Android competitor going, so they kept the development going, but focused for their Smartwatches, as this would have to be a "if the worst happens" plan, not something that could be a profitable venture. LG has the Palm/HP borne WebOS for their TVs, i suspect with a simi…

> A made-in-Europe non-Google-led OS might gain more ground among risk averse governments and enterprises — as a sensible hedge against Trump-fueled global uncertainty.

> “Sailfish OS, as a non-American, open-source based, secure mobile OS platform, is naturally an interesting option for different players — currently the interest is stronger among corporate and governmental customers and partners, as our product offering is clearly focused on this segment,” says Jolla co-founder and CEO Sami Pienimäki .

> “Overall, there definitely has been increased interest towards Sailfish OS as a mobile OS platform in different parts of the world, partly triggered by the on-going political activity in many locations. We have also had clearly more discussions with e.g. Chinese device manufacturers, and Jolla has also recently started new corporate and governmental customer projects in Europe.”

https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/20/trumps-huawei-ban-also-cau...

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Post by noselasd »

TsomArp wrote: post #63
harryf wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s possible that Google cutting off Huawei will actually backfire, because it makes having a viable alternative to Android a MUST HAVE instead of just NICE TO HAVE. Perhaps it’s possible to resurrect Blackberry 10 ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_10 ) for example, which seemed to be an impressive piece of engineering that got trampled by Blackberrys failing business. I played with a demo once that could…

I believe that is not actually google that cut off Huawei, but but US government prohibits any US company to make business with them.

Both are true. Google cut off Huawei because the US government told them to.

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Post by thaumasiotes »

qwertydog wrote: post #75
EGreg wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t Android open source? So why can’t Huawei simply fork it?

I think the main issue is the play store is off limits i.e. no existing android apps

The play store is unavailable within China anyway, so alternatives certainly exist.

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Post by bildung »

DeonPenny wrote: post #55
turtlecloud wrote: post #43

So they trigger the PRC gov to build their own OS. A temporary setback or worse? Who do we bet on in 10 yrs? State sponsored technology or Google? My bet is on China.

Lol do that seems like a strange bet. State sponsor rarely win in those cases

Yet here we are, talking to each other over the state-sponsored internet.
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