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Re: A Revolution in Your Pocket

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We've been working on a very similar idea to this for the past few months: https://pocketweb.io

There is a very early iOS beta available, and Android is coming within the month. We've thought a lot about battery and data and have gotten really good results by leveraging existing radio wakeups, batching requests, and doing all sorts of optimizations to the sites themselves.

Right now we're focused entirely on personal websites, because we believe the majority of those can actually easily be hosted on a phone (eg. How many people actually view your LinkedIn page every day? A single Facebook page doesn't require a datacenter. Etc).

We're limited to single static pages with images right now but better support for multiple pages and server code with SQLite is coming. More template types, for example stores, are coming as well.

Let us know what you think!

Re: A Revolution in Your Pocket

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This feels like a superset of the problem medical records management is in a digital age. There are the bits you need public. your anaphylaxis status. your advanced health directive with 'do not rescucitate' and your organ donation status. There are the bits you need semi public. You need a trained health professional in sexual health to know you have chlamydia, but its not relevant to a physio doing upper body work.…

> your mental health status adversely affects your employer insurance This statement makes no sense in 99% of the countries in the world.

In the U.S., any condition that you have CAN BE AND WILL BE used against you - either by insurance firms, employers, etc. Even if in some cases it is illegal to be used against you, the U.S.' environment is such that those with power over you will use such info against you...so you can unfortunately consider the U.S. in the 1% of the countries that you cited.

Re: A Revolution in Your Pocket

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post #81

We've been working on a very similar idea to this for the past few months: https://pocketweb.io There is a very early iOS beta available, and Android is coming within the month. We've thought a lot about battery and data and have gotten really good results by leveraging existing radio wakeups, batching requests, and doing all sorts of optimizations to the sites themselves. Right now we're focused entirely on personal…

Awesome! I will check it out.

Re: A Revolution in Your Pocket

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> your mental health status adversely affects your employer insurance This statement makes no sense in 99% of the countries in the world.

In the U.S., any condition that you have CAN BE AND WILL BE used against you - either by insurance firms, employers, etc. Even if in some cases it is illegal to be used against you, the U.S.' environment is such that those with power over you will use such info against you...so you can unfortunately consider the U.S. in the 1% of the countries that you cited.

I think you and @Kiro are in agreement. My interpretation of @Kiro's comment is that most of the world doesn't do employer-provided insurance, so that aspect of @ggm's comment would essentially only apply to the US.

Re: A Revolution in Your Pocket

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I'm definitely sympathetic to the ideas described in this article. I strongly feel that software should be designed to serve the interests of users, and running locally is structurally necessary to accomplish this. For some applications, it seems plausible that mesh networking and cooperative routing could potentially replace centralized communications infrastructure. It's probably OK if an email takes half an hour o…

I was thinking today why not just create an overlay network on top of the internet that throws-back to a place without corporations or governments?... Back to the 90s internet. With its own DNS servers, etc. Which does not resolve anything outside of the overlay network. So no facebook, no Google, no cloud services... Maybe a user run directory like Yahoo! used to be. Nothing but realms run by webmasters. A walled ga…

You may be interested in the gopherverse. It's not exactly what you're looking for (still lives on top of mainstream DNS), but it does satisfy the "nothing but realms run by webmasters" and "user run directory" features.

Here's a reasonable place to start: https://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw?gopher%3A%2F%2Fgopher....

Re: A Revolution in Your Pocket

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This is not a new idea. Apple already emphasises that they do all the machine learning on your own device and no data is sent to the cloud. But this approach only works well for a small class of problems. For other types of problems you need to look at data wholistically at a large scale in order to see patterns and you need a cloud service. But more importantly we know that complex services break once in a while. If…

> For other types of problems you need to look at data wholistically at a large scale in order to see patterns and you need a cloud service.

What types of problems do you have in mind?

> But more importantly we know that complex services break once in a while. If such services run on entirely on your personal device then the complexity of your device goes up exponentially.

The idea is that a lot of problems aren't so complex once delegated to participants of the network.

> We learned in the 90’s that a better model is to centralize complexity, and make end devices as simple as possible. (Look up Larry Ellison’s 90’s speeches about Network Computing.) So, no, moving the center of computing to personal devices is not a good idea!

By "we learned in the 90s" you mean that a company with an obvious commercial interest in the idea tried to push it and largely failed because it was based on assumptions that were practically Jurassic within a few years ("you don't need a powerful machine to support the use of common network services" and "thin clients can be much cheaper than general purpose computers"). We have our multi-core gigs-of-RAM phones and multi-core gigs-of-RAM Chromebooks now that may superficially qualify for implementing the idea of a "network computer" or even "thin clients" by dubious standards, but are actually just powerful devices that are locked down to proprietary third party services for reasons that have no real advantage to the consumer; "fat" clients.

Other things we learned in the 90s: JNCO jeans are cool.

Re: A Revolution in Your Pocket

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This is not a new idea. Apple already emphasises that they do all the machine learning on your own device and no data is sent to the cloud. But this approach only works well for a small class of problems. For other types of problems you need to look at data wholistically at a large scale in order to see patterns and you need a cloud service. But more importantly we know that complex services break once in a while. If…

> For other types of problems you need to look at data wholistically at a large scale in order to see patterns and you need a cloud service. What types of problems do you have in mind? > But more importantly we know that complex services break once in a while. If such services run on entirely on your personal device then the complexity of your device goes up exponentially. The idea is that a lot of problems aren't so…

>What types of problems do you have in mind?

Search comes to mind. Traffic information systems are going to become more important. Also, everything related to fighting fraud, spam, etc.

Re: A Revolution in Your Pocket

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post #81

We've been working on a very similar idea to this for the past few months: https://pocketweb.io There is a very early iOS beta available, and Android is coming within the month. We've thought a lot about battery and data and have gotten really good results by leveraging existing radio wakeups, batching requests, and doing all sorts of optimizations to the sites themselves. Right now we're focused entirely on personal…

Congrats, your site is 100x more comprehensible than the wall of text on the original link. :-)

Re: A Revolution in Your Pocket

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was thinking today why not just create an overlay network on top of the internet that throws-back to a place without corporations or governments?... Back to the 90s internet. With its own DNS servers, etc. Which does not resolve anything outside of the overlay network. So no facebook, no Google, no cloud services... Maybe a user run directory like Yahoo! used to be. Nothing but realms run by webmasters. A walled ga…

Tor?

i2p.

Re: A Revolution in Your Pocket

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post #81

We've been working on a very similar idea to this for the past few months: https://pocketweb.io There is a very early iOS beta available, and Android is coming within the month. We've thought a lot about battery and data and have gotten really good results by leveraging existing radio wakeups, batching requests, and doing all sorts of optimizations to the sites themselves. Right now we're focused entirely on personal…

> "When you are ready, turn your PocketWeb site on and you'll a URL that you can share."

I think you accidentally a word. Love the project though.

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