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Paranoia will destroy us: Why Huawei and other Chinese tech is not spying

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Post by Grustaf »

mantas wrote: post #80
Grustaf wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but I’m not sure the US is your best bet for enemy. No country has started more wars, possibly in history.

If you're an ally, that doesn't matter that much. Coming from eastern europe and seeing what happened in Ukraine, I see trigger-happiness of US as an advantage. If Russia comes banging at our doors, I don't trust Germany or France to do more than issue a stern letter. China? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't give a fuck. US of A? That's our only bet TBH.

Because when the US started a civil war and ousted your leader to install a chocolate oligarch backed by militant nazi thugs it was purely for your benefit, right? Not in order to plunder the country.

Re: Paranoia will destroy us: Why Huawei and other Chinese tech is not spying

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Post by crystaln »

dna_polymerase wrote: post #70
crystaln wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US spying is subject to a strained but ultimately effective legal and constitutional system. There is no comparison between the US government's transgressions, and the Chinese government's complete unrestricted impunity to spy and infiltrate.

The spying is done by intelligence services. Services that have huge reputational problems, largely because they have nothing to fear and all the power. Whatever is going on inside those organizations is completely hidden from the government itself. What Snowden made available has shocked everyone, including those who should oversee the intelligence services.

It is still subject to legal constraints, and when exposed there is at least the possibility of consequences and changes. In China it is entirely legal, tolerated, and expected. In China the intrusions can entirely unsubtle and deep, whereas in the US there is at least some balance with legal restraints. These are very different situations. Neither of them are ideal, however equating them is really not accurate.

Re: Paranoia will destroy us: Why Huawei and other Chinese tech is not spying

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Post by mantas »

Grustaf wrote: post #81
mantas wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're an ally, that doesn't matter that much. Coming from eastern europe and seeing what happened in Ukraine, I see trigger-happiness of US as an advantage. If Russia comes banging at our doors, I don't trust Germany or France to do more than issue a stern letter. China? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't give a fuck. US of A? That's our only bet TBH.

Because when the US started a civil war and ousted your leader to install a chocolate oligarch backed by militant nazi thugs it was purely for your benefit, right? Not in order to plunder the country.

Sorry to hear you're brainwashed by Putin's propaganda.

That puts your other posts in a different light.

Re: Paranoia will destroy us: Why Huawei and other Chinese tech is not spying

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Post by Grustaf »

mantas wrote: post #83
Grustaf wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because when the US started a civil war and ousted your leader to install a chocolate oligarch backed by militant nazi thugs it was purely for your benefit, right? Not in order to plunder the country.

Sorry to hear you're brainwashed by Putin's propaganda. That puts your other posts in a different light.

What part of that statement do you take issue with?

Was Poroshenko not a chocolate oligarch? Was he not installed by the West after a coup? Are the Right sector not Nazi thugs?

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