How were they able to install spyware on iOS devices?
Most likely by exploiting an iOS vulnerability . (Which might be unrelated to the WhatsApp bug, other than using it as a vector.)
WhatsApp voice calls were used to inject spyware on phones
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> Israel has nuclear weapons and its MAD policies are probably the same as other nuclear powers. But with a much more controversial relationship with it neighbours, who’s land it illegally occupies and state policies that are compared to apartheid policies.
Much more controversial, than Russian? At least those poor folks in Palestine have an incompatible religion, which I could not say about Ukraine.
There are also other examples like China and the Uyghurs. Perhaps “much more controversial” is going to far, as there is a lot of shitty behaviour.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
They managed to destroy Iranian nuclear centrifuges using a very sophisticated attack. Read up on Stuxnet. Also, as an Israeli, I can 100% confirm that Israelis have absolutely no issues with crossing any kind of boundary. The fact that others think that such a thing as "boundaries" exist only serves as an advantage.
How do they differ from international terrorists then?
They're a government that the US recognizes, and that's widely recognized by other governments that the US recognizes. That makes them legitimate. Terrorists by definition do not include legitimate governments. Anyone that doesn't agree is a "terrorist sympathizer".
I don't necessarily agree, but that's just how it is.
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#85All my life I've thought spyware was developed primarily by evil Russian and Chinese hackers. But apparently also by Israeli developers with their government's blessing and open endorsement. That's some very shady stuff. Before someone says something about government surveillance of fiber cables. Yes, that is also bad, but exploiting vulnerabilities to install spyware on peoples phones... It crosses yet another line…
And the US government's blessing. Along with the UK, this is how the US indirectly spies on its own citizens.
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#86It's not just the NSO group. Hacking Team is not exactly shy about the services they offer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacking_Team FinFisher: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FinFisher MiniPanzer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiniPanzer_and_MegaPanzer
Wow! I had no idea there was a whole industry selling spyware to dictatorships. Surveillance equipment, yes, but not actual hacking tools. Really sickening. Must be why governments in Europe are so afraid of Huawei building 5G networks - they will only run Chinese spyware.
Huawei's equipment will almost assuredly run anyone's spyware. Huawei uses a medley of ancient, highly vulnerable OpenSSL libraries sprinkled through their basestation code, and apparently they've forgone any kind of version control to ensure an optimally confusing work environment for their development teams: https://hmgstrategy.com/resource-center/articles/2019/04/04/...
Frankly, these products are likely unmaintainable long term without a total refactoring of the codebase, nevermind the abject lack of security.
The trick with these vendors is the codebase will never see serious improvement, as these basestations aren't going to be sold for the next decade, so Huawei will do the bare minimum and shelve support in short order.
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
They managed to destroy Iranian nuclear centrifuges using a very sophisticated attack. Read up on Stuxnet. Also, as an Israeli, I can 100% confirm that Israelis have absolutely no issues with crossing any kind of boundary. The fact that others think that such a thing as "boundaries" exist only serves as an advantage.
Not clear whether you consider this a good thing or a disgrace?
Exactly.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
They managed to destroy Iranian nuclear centrifuges using a very sophisticated attack. Read up on Stuxnet. Also, as an Israeli, I can 100% confirm that Israelis have absolutely no issues with crossing any kind of boundary. The fact that others think that such a thing as "boundaries" exist only serves as an advantage.
> I can 100% confirm that Israelis have absolutely no issues with crossing any kind of boundary. Is this a subtle reference to the Israeli occupation of Palestine?
My comment has nothing to do with Palestine.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
They managed to destroy Iranian nuclear centrifuges using a very sophisticated attack. Read up on Stuxnet. Also, as an Israeli, I can 100% confirm that Israelis have absolutely no issues with crossing any kind of boundary. The fact that others think that such a thing as "boundaries" exist only serves as an advantage.
Interesting to hear about this lack of boundaries among Israelis, is this only for non-Israelis or do you/they cross each others boundaries? Is this a cultural thing, why do you think this the case?
Israelis grow up with almost no notion of personal space. It’s just not a thing over there.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
They managed to destroy Iranian nuclear centrifuges using a very sophisticated attack. Read up on Stuxnet. Also, as an Israeli, I can 100% confirm that Israelis have absolutely no issues with crossing any kind of boundary. The fact that others think that such a thing as "boundaries" exist only serves as an advantage.
How do they differ from international terrorists then?
How is a hero different than a murderer? It’s all in the eye of the beholder.