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Improving support for adult content on Mastodon

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Re: Improving support for adult content on Mastodon

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>Every single popular service today has an utterly awful name. It did not stop them. Like what? I can't think of any bad ones that people use on a regular basis.

Google, Facebook, Twitter... You are USED to them, so they don't sound stupid. If you heard them for the first time, they'd sound utterly stupid.

Facebook sounds like what it is. Twitter has been discussed in this thread elsewhere (bird imagery makes sense). Google is essentially a nonsense word that turns out to be a real word based on a really big number (which makes sense).

Someone recommended finding evidence of people complaining about names back when these services first came out. I don't recall ever thinking any of these names were stupid, despite other issues I had with the services.

Re: Improving support for adult content on Mastodon

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I created the algorithm, and there is a proper release of it with documentation and implementations in a few languages coming... "soon". It's a work project, so trying to find time to work on it is always tricky. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. The main goal of it is to be a placeholder while images load, but it also has a nice secondary use for hiding sensitive images here. Other aims of the algorithm i…

Off topic but I did a double take when I scrolled past your name. Are you the same guy who did some kind of imageboard related stuff years ago? I know that's vague, but my brain is fried and I can't remember why I remember you.

trev and acostoss (from our same community) are also lead devs on mastodon.

Re: Improving support for adult content on Mastodon

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Now if only certain instances would actually default to marking all their content as adult content. This is great to have but useless when certain 18+ instances just bare all kinds of smut clear to the timeline. (I'm talking mainly of the *blr instances, in case you haven't already hidden them for yourselves.)

Re: Improving support for adult content on Mastodon

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I dunno, it's not any more funny than if you substituted tweet in each of those.

It’s less funny because of the implied association with flatulence.

Perhaps I'm just too childish, but that actually makes it funnier for me.

Re: Improving support for adult content on Mastodon

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A few people show up to say this every time Mastodon is mentioned. I disagree, it's memorable and I like it. Obviously the users don't mind either. Twitter sounded like a dumb name too, but they kept it and now nobody thinks twice about it. (Can you imagine: "Twit means idiot, nobody will use this service because of that!") Most creative names sound dumb until they stick around long enough.

A few people also used to show up to say similar things about DuckDuckGo’s vaguely Fisher-Price branding, and now DDG is still a fringe of the market even in our increasingly privacy-conscious, big-tech-company-skeptical times. Sometimes branding matters.

> and now DDG is still a fringe of the market even in our increasingly privacy-conscious, big-tech-company-skeptical times

Is it, though? I mean, yeah, it's no Google or Bing or Yahoo, but it also doesn't have Google or Microsoft or Yahoo money, either.

It's on the brink of breaking 1% in the US [1]; that might seem small, but that'd be a good 33% of ChromeOS users or 10% of macOS users. Not bad, considering.

And really, blaming DuckDuckGo's branding for its poor marketshare is pretty ridiculous given the competition. I mean come on, what kind of a name is "Google"? Or "Bing"? Or "Yahoo"? The ridiculousness of the branding doesn't seem to actually be a problem, since that's actually constant across all of the top four browsers in the US.

[1]: http://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share/all/uni...

[2]: http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/united-states-...

Re: Improving support for adult content on Mastodon

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A few people show up to say this every time Mastodon is mentioned. I disagree, it's memorable and I like it. Obviously the users don't mind either. Twitter sounded like a dumb name too, but they kept it and now nobody thinks twice about it. (Can you imagine: "Twit means idiot, nobody will use this service because of that!") Most creative names sound dumb until they stick around long enough.

A few people also used to show up to say similar things about DuckDuckGo’s vaguely Fisher-Price branding, and now DDG is still a fringe of the market even in our increasingly privacy-conscious, big-tech-company-skeptical times. Sometimes branding matters.

On the other hand, they've been profitable since at least 2015 without invasive tracking. They have a lock on their niche in the marketplace, and their Alexa rank is in the top 200 and rising. Their main competitors are two of the biggest companies in the world, yet they are growing and showing no signs of slowing down. I'd call that a success.

Search engines are a mature market. You're not going to displace Google unless you manage to disrupt the entire industry somehow; social tried and failed at this, so it's not clear what this would even mean at present.

As a challenger in a mature market, DDG has the right strategy, and they are playing their hand successfully. I seriously doubt that branding is holding them back.

Re: Improving support for adult content on Mastodon

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It’s less funny because of the implied association with flatulence.

Perhaps I'm just too childish, but that actually makes it funnier for me.

I meant the other way around, i.e. we agree.

Re: Improving support for adult content on Mastodon

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post #82

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Off topic but I did a double take when I scrolled past your name. Are you the same guy who did some kind of imageboard related stuff years ago? I know that's vague, but my brain is fried and I can't remember why I remember you.

trev and acostoss (from our same community) are also lead devs on mastodon.

They both aren't really anymore, but they do hang out.

Re: Improving support for adult content on Mastodon

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How does Mastodon handle governance for content that gets reported? It sounds like a logistics nightmare. It's nice that the apps are getting a way to blur things, but I would imagine that the bigger problem would be bad actors running instances, and finding ways to keep them away.

One nice thing about a federated system is that admin work is also distributed. I run a small server that has existed for a long time (and has knowledge of / federates to some extent with most of the fediverse as such), and my co-moderator and me have a very manageable administration workload (mind: you only have to moderate content that actually arrives at your instance, not all content that is posted everywhere ever). The Mastodon software (and most other fediverse software) has multiple tools for this specifically.

On our instance, we do not allow "untagged" (not hidden behind a content warning) pornographic content. If an instance allows this, we "silence" them - meaning that none of their content shows up on any public timeline anymore. People can still follow users from there, but that's their choice, and none of my business - and nobody is getting a facefull of tiddy if they don't specifically want it.

If an instance is generally acting in good faith, but allows images that I definitely do not want cached locally, another tool you have is "media reject" an instance - in that case, no media from that instance will be downloaded. Can still follow, but have to click through for images, and no thumbnails. We try to avoid this, but, you know.

The nuclear option is to just defederate from an instance entirely. We also try to avoid this, but it's a very effectice "ugh god I'm not dealing with this" tool.

edit: That's on a macro level, of course - we can also do the same thing to single users, and that's obviously preferred if it's just one idiot. a user submitting a report can also choose to forward the report the the originating server, which can be helpful to get a problem at the root.

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