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I'm one of the inventors of RSS and I need your help to reboot the Internet

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Re: I'm one of the inventors of RSS and I need your help to reboot the Internet

#81

So I’ve followed the development of polar for a while know. Recently I stopped and uninstalled the program. I might return to it later but at the moment the thing which is most important for something dealing with content gets the least attention: simply dealing with content. For instance, a pdf which loads instantly in Skim or preview on my Mac takes 20 seconds to load in polar a simple webpage took 4 seconds to loa…

> So I’ve followed the development of polar for a while know. Recently I stopped > and uninstalled the program. I might return to it later but at the moment the > thing which is most important for something dealing with content gets the least > attention: simply dealing with content. For instance, a pdf which loads > instantly in Skim or preview on my Mac takes 20 seconds to load in polar

This is probably resolved. There was an issue pre 1.17.5 that caused a few issues with PDFs taking longer to load.

We're also about to upgrade to Elecron 5.x which fixes some problems with latency on some Windows machines.

> a simple webpage took 4 seconds to load.

This is actively being worked on ... Unfortunately, I have to decompress in the UI thread and this slows things down a bit. I'm trying to work on a new streams approach which should allow me to decompress content in a background thread and also stream load it in the foreground.

Should work on the web too which I'm excited about.

> While polar focusses on saving webpages > adblock isn’t implemented yet and pages

I'm working on porting the web capture directly to the browser which should help solve this issue. Since the capture is done in a chrome extension ad block and other features will work as well as any type of extension.

Electron doesn't work on chrome extensions.

> often don’t save and/ or render > properly.

Report them and they will be fixed.

> Even though polar is supposed to be open a non standard format .PHZ > was implemented in polar and polar’s database is far from open or useable with > other programs. Feels like a lock-in.

We're lucky PHZ works at all. It's very very complicated to implement properly. Portability is NOT an issue until I completely nail it working reliably.

It's literally NOT possible to implement this now with any web standards. NONE support the features we need to implement caching of web pages.

Additionally, I've gone out of my way to mention that Polar is Open Source and that this is important to the vision and respecting people's rights on data portability is insanely important to me.

Not calling you out here but if I was trying to lock you up I'm going about it the wrong way.

Benefit of the doubt please ;)

> This along with a slew of other bugs, polar being webtechnology and the focus on > getting more users and developing the web version instead of focusing on > developing an app which is robust and feature full (or at least expandable) > makes me think my values and the values of the polar dev don’t align and polar > simply isn’t worth my time.

How's that?

The reason we're working on web + mobile is that users have demanded this functionality.

One of the other challenges we have is that there just aren't enough users of the Desktop app to support active development of JUST that platform. If anything the Desktop will be a losing leader for the web edition as I'm expecting more users on that platform.

That said, most of the web + desktop unification/integration is done now so desktop + web won't be an issue of competition.

Also, I found out the hard way that we MUST support web tech first in Electron as they do not properly support their internal APIs. Electron was broken for about 8 months preventing us from upgrading because of their internal broken APIs.

Chrome and web standards are much more reliable.

> In any case, I hope I’m wrong and polar will be better or someone else takes the > core ideas of polar and makes something more stable etc out of it. I hope I > might be able to do that, but at the moment I’m unfortunately far from being > knowledgeable enough to do this.

You can always donate if you want to keep supporting the project!

Re: I'm one of the inventors of RSS and I need your help to reboot the Internet

#82
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're a for profit company, running on a propriety firebase backend, focused on solving one single (but important) use case for which solutions having varying degrees of success and utility already exist. You're not going to "reboot the internet" - that headline is a very grandiose claim likely to turn off most people on this forum.

Well I suck if my goal is anything other trying to make the world a better place. I've been working on Polar for free for the last six months ten hours a day 6-7 days a week because I want the world to be a better place. But hey.. I guess I should be doing this for free because I'm grandiose and trying to make the world a better place.

You have to put the effort in to something that you expect people to actually pay for. I’m not gonna lie, I’m sure I’m not the only one who gave a giggle at $27. I would use this if it were free and so would many others. Tons of people dedicate months or years to FOSS projects and tons of people dedicate months or years to achieve something great, and, as you say, helpful, without ever getting so much as a thank you.

It doesn’t stop them. That’s what makes them truly great people.

I don’t see that you’re looking at your customer or purpose with this statement. It seems you’re far more concerned with your bottom line at the moment...a clickbaity headline like you chose kinda puffs your ego regarding the project out of proportion, and the fact that the follow up video to that link contains such little actual information about the product is strange at best.

We developers are not usually ourselves the best designers or marketers - getting on HN can be a really big deal for your success - but I see a lot of confused people here. Perhaps look at someone involved in marketing. Just saying.

Mad respect for all you’ve contributed to the technology sphere.

Re: I'm one of the inventors of RSS and I need your help to reboot the Internet

#83

We've entered a future where not only does it give me an obnoxious cookie disclaimer (how about you just don't set a ton of cookies which make every request huge?) when I launch the web version, but if I try the desktop version it also shows me an obnoxious cookie disclaimer. Please don't launch multiple popups (there's also a welcome one) as soon as your app launches; it scares me away before I can actually try the…

Thanks.. my plan is to put the cookie disclaimer into a ToS thing which is part of the tour... think it has to be there though for GDPR reasons.

Re: I'm one of the inventors of RSS and I need your help to reboot the Internet

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://twobithistory.org/2018/12/18/rss.html grep'd for Dave Winer, check. Grep'd for OP - not found.

Look under RSS 1.0. It’s not the same as RSS .91 or 2.0 userland/Dave Winer branches. To call it simply as “RSS”? I dunno

RSS 2.0 was a Dave Winer proprietary thing where no one else was involved.

Re: I'm one of the inventors of RSS and I need your help to reboot the Internet

#85

Nice. Just hit the front page! Today is my birthday too so good birthday present from you guys! I'm the creator of Polar so AMA :)

How a reboot of the internet involve using an electron app ?

Ha.. was waiting for the eventual comment hating on Electron ;)

I feel it though.. we might look at porting to Carlo or something in the future if possible:

https://github.com/GoogleChromeLabs/carlo

Re: I'm one of the inventors of RSS and I need your help to reboot the Internet

#86

Here's a better pitch based on your feedback and maybe more tailored to the Hacker News crowd. The Internet is broken as content primary pools behind walled gardens like Facebook and Twitter. These platforms are not open in the sense that the metadata is locked up inside them. Additionally, they're not very respective of the rights and privacy of their user base. Polar tries to reboot this by building out a generic d…

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Re: I'm one of the inventors of RSS and I need your help to reboot the Internet

#87

Here are a few more resources if you're interested: Our roadmap: https://getpolarized.io/2019/04/10/Roadmap-Q2-Q3-2019.html Here's a discussion of using datastores to support a more distributed web: https://getpolarized.io/2019/03/22/portable-datastores-and-p... A high level mission statement which is still a work in progress: https://getpolarized.io/2019/04/11/Polar-Mission-Statement.h...

The roadmap for a project should provide a marketing opportunity where you can explain the current direction of a project and the high level changes that are expected to be seen over the coming months or years. Right now your roadmap reads like a list of open feature requests on an issue tracker. IMO it is far too much in the weeds, like most of the site. After going through several pages it is still unclear what problem is being addressed and who is currently the target audience.

Re: I'm one of the inventors of RSS and I need your help to reboot the Internet

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been good feedback (even if a bit rough) and will definitely try to refine it a bit more. One of the things I've found that I struggle with is trying to explain what I'm building as most things are obvious to me since I'm the one building it. Our users have done a GREAT job helping me out with that and pointing out the flaws with Polar regarding usability that I can't see. I wonder if this is related to inat…

One of the biggest things I’ve learned is that it’s easy to build for people like yourself, but that there are very few people exactly like you. In fact there might only be one. Focus on a real pain point that people are having, and organize everything in your messaging around that. Why do people need a document manager in the first place? What is this going to do for them that their existing solutions don’t do? How…

I shelved a bunch of my "bright" ideas for time a time when I'm better at pitching when I realized "this will work if everyone just does it my way" wasn't a great plan :)

Re: I'm one of the inventors of RSS and I need your help to reboot the Internet

#89
post #31

I don't know what this project is about (it's not explained in that page), but tokens like "Freemium" + "Premium" + "polarized" don't pass through my parser in regards about the future of the internet I want (or I think we deserve).

How so? How do you expect the Internet and sites will support themselves financially? Charge directly?

Is always about the money, isn't it? :)

I believe that we should reboot into a decentralized, accessible, encrypted and anonymous internet.

Otherwise if you are asking money for traffic/space/service, then you are just a storage/hosting/cloud/db provider. You're not rebooting the internet.

If rebooting the internet means transforming it into a freemium/premium model, then I think it is better as it is now.

And that name... "polarized" internet. We have enough (and getting really tired of) that kind of behavior ("polarized": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_polarization).

Sorry for the negativity. Perhaps I didn't understand your project enough, or "rebooting the internet" was an ambitious clicky-baity title. Otherwise, if I understood it correctly, you want to store all the documents/information and want to charge for it. If so, I have no further comments.

Re: I'm one of the inventors of RSS and I need your help to reboot the Internet

#90
What are the prospects on an ipad pro app?

I paid $1500+ for my ipad. I'm very willing to pay for a good, open-source incremental reading solution on my iPad (with exportable content and easy backup).

We are at the pre-history of spaced repetition learning. This will have very large effects on society. Just ask any engineer how much they already forgot of what they learned in college. Coursera et al will get into this space, I hope, but that's not enough.

We need good, open alternatives like anki (but better) and with incremental reading. But keeping a slew of apps on different platforms updated and running smoothly is expensive. Anki's model of charging for the apple app is not bad.

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