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Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by bluntfang »

ZeroFries wrote: post #68
bluntfang wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>free from cruelty. Do you mind if I ask what your requirements for this are? At the end of the day, isn't ending life cruel, no matter the means?

If the animal is free from suffering, including lacking awareness of what's happening during the killing, that's as free from cruelty as you can get. If lacking life is what's cruel, then vegetarianism doesn't really solve that problem, since the animal would never be born without farming.

> If the animal is free from suffering, including lacking awareness of what's happening during the killing

How do you measure this? How do you know for certain that what you're eating had no idea it was about to die when it did?

How do you know animals don't experience existential suffering, similar to how humans experience it? Why do you believe that humans are in control of their livestock's emotional state, even when they provide the best environment for them?

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by OrwellianChild »

randomacct3847 wrote: post #64

Anecdotally seems like impossible burger has been more commercially successful

The vast majority of Impossible Burger's distribution is in restaurants. I haven't been able to find them in stores. Beyond Burgers, I buy weekly at the local mainstream (non-Whole Foods) grocery. Comes out to about $2.50/burger. Works great for my near-vegan partner, and we can still cook out at home!

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by leovander »

gamegoblin wrote: post #31

I am an omnivore, but deeply interested in meat substitutes. Before trying the burger by Impossible Foods, it was my opinion that the patty by Beyond Meat was definitely the best. I am a big burger consumer, and I tend to rank the various substitute burgers on a scale that indicates how satisfied I feel afterwards, and how accurate the imitation is. I felt like the Beyond Burger was 8/10 in terms of being as satisfyi…

I wish I could update this more than once.

When you compare the Beyond Burger to the Impossible Burger, the Beyond Burger feels like a block of red play-doh. "Meat is red so this must be red."

Don't get me wrong I will still eat it, but the Impossible Burger feels miles ahead, its just that the Beyond Burger feels to have hit the larger markets first.

I can't wait until I can start cooking my own Impossible meat at home, here's to hoping that the Impossible Burger does well at Burger King's trial run.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by codezero »

gamegoblin wrote: post #31

I am an omnivore, but deeply interested in meat substitutes. Before trying the burger by Impossible Foods, it was my opinion that the patty by Beyond Meat was definitely the best. I am a big burger consumer, and I tend to rank the various substitute burgers on a scale that indicates how satisfied I feel afterwards, and how accurate the imitation is. I felt like the Beyond Burger was 8/10 in terms of being as satisfyi…

Interesting take. I've always said Impossible tastes more like meat, but has a bad texture match, and Beyond tastes less like meat but has a better texture.

With that said, I think the flavor and quality of Beyond is higher, for me. Impossible still hovers around low-grade, poor texture ground beef. I want them both to be successful because the more options we have the better.

I think Impossible is likely to be more successful targeting current meat eaters, though, so you may be right about their longer term success.

I've found the variance of each burger to be highly dependent on the preparation, so I think a real fair test would be made-at-home side-by-side. I enjoy the Beyond patty made at home on a skillet without much extra besides a bun and catchup and mustard, this says a lot.

I'm a recent vegetarian (4 years).

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by delecti »

ZeroFries wrote: post #68
bluntfang wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>free from cruelty. Do you mind if I ask what your requirements for this are? At the end of the day, isn't ending life cruel, no matter the means?

If the animal is free from suffering, including lacking awareness of what's happening during the killing, that's as free from cruelty as you can get. If lacking life is what's cruel, then vegetarianism doesn't really solve that problem, since the animal would never be born without farming.

Lacking life isn't a remotely useful metric for cruelty, or every minute decision anyone has ever made is responsible for an infinite number of states of the universe not happening.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by dsl »

Pfhreak wrote: post #3

I've gone vegetarian, except for a single grass fed animal I bought from a local farmer. (I live in a city, it was easier than I thought it would be to connect with a farmer out in the rural part of my state.) The transition was way, way easier than I thought it was going to be. I didn't guilt myself when I made mistakes, just stopped eating meat unless I was sure the provenance of it was sustainable and free from cr…

"Published figures suggest that, in Australia, producing wheat and other grains results in: at least 25 times more sentient animals being killed per kilogram of useable protein"

http://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-ther...

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by thaumaturgy »

PerfectElement wrote: post #27

I've been vegan for 15 years, and I've tried all sorts of veggie burgers and mock meats available. Some of them are good, but pretty easy to tell they are not meat. When I first had the Beyond Burger last year (just plain with 2 thin slices of bread) it brought back a very strong memory of how meat used to taste. I wonder if most meat eaters would be able to tell it's not meat on a blind test. I'm curious to try the…

I'm a pretty shameless meat eater (I know...), and tried the Beyond Burger at Carl's a while back out of curiosity (not an outfit I visit often, I do try to stay local at least).

Granted that Carl's loads their stuff up with ridiculous amounts of sauce as a way to mask their crappiness, but still ... I don't think I'd be able to reliably tell the difference in a blind test.

Given a good burger from a high quality pub and grill or similar, I might be able to.

But as far as I care, that can just become an occasional treat, as it pretty much is now. I'm waiting for a little more word on the nutritional science of these things, but once they look good there, I'll be happy if they replace my regular burger patties pretty much everywhere.

I've never bought (individual) stock before but I'm sorely tempted to buy some of this a few days after it becomes available. Absent some Theranos-level fuckery, I expect that these guys (and their competitors) are going to be huge.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by bronson »

AznHisoka wrote: post #49
vincentmarle wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

M is the Roman numeral for 1000, so MM is a thousand thousands, in other words a million.

It is an awkward notation. Nobody says 100M for $100,000, they say 100K. So why should 100 million be 100MM? It forces people to pause, and think unnecessarily.

I'm the opposite. If I see "10M" in financial docs, then I have to pause think about context. If I see "10MM" I'm certain that the author meant "million" and keep on reading.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by randomsearch »

Forge36 wrote: post #58
alimhaq wrote: post #45

This is probably an unpopular opinion here but I don't think these meat substitutes are sustainable for long term health in humans...our bodies are clearly designed to consume meat (especially apparent when you compare our bodies to those of our mostly herbivore relatives) and by extension we need these nutrients to thrive (not just survive, mind you). I understand the incentive for people to go vegan but people shou…

I don't know if any evidence to suggest a vegan diet is worse than a meat diet. Provided all nutrient needs are met.

Yep. Like a meat diet, a vegan diet will indeed be perfectly healthy provided it is reasonably balanced. You need to watch a few things, such as B12 intake.

OTOH, there is plenty of evidence as to the negative effects of meat on health - the higher fat intake, for instance, and the increased cancer risk.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by codezero »

leovander wrote: post #83
gamegoblin wrote: post #31

I am an omnivore, but deeply interested in meat substitutes. Before trying the burger by Impossible Foods, it was my opinion that the patty by Beyond Meat was definitely the best. I am a big burger consumer, and I tend to rank the various substitute burgers on a scale that indicates how satisfied I feel afterwards, and how accurate the imitation is. I felt like the Beyond Burger was 8/10 in terms of being as satisfyi…

I wish I could update this more than once. When you compare the Beyond Burger to the Impossible Burger, the Beyond Burger feels like a block of red play-doh. "Meat is red so this must be red." Don't get me wrong I will still eat it, but the Impossible Burger feels miles ahead, its just that the Beyond Burger feels to have hit the larger markets first. I can't wait until I can start cooking my own Impossible meat at h…

I like that you and GP like Impossible and dislike Beyond for the same reasons I like Beyond and dislike (too strong of a word, let's just say prefer Beyond) Impossible.

Again, this is why I'm hoping they are both successful.

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