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Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by marvin »

strictnein wrote: post #17

> "almost 70% of respondents say they are above average while less than 10% think they are below average. This is statistically unlikely with a sample of over 70,000 developers who answered this question, to put it mildly." Not at all. It's a self selecting survey, the people who choose to answer are likely more confident in their abilities than those that don't, and, contrary to common understanding, it is perfectly…

Plus: There are so many aspects of software engineering that 70% can easily be above average (or the median) in at least one of them. It's like asking drivers if they're better or worse than average. The skill hasn't been defined with a clear metric. It's lazy to just pin this on dishonesty or hubris on the part of the respondents.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by wainstead »

strictnein wrote: post #17

> "almost 70% of respondents say they are above average while less than 10% think they are below average. This is statistically unlikely with a sample of over 70,000 developers who answered this question, to put it mildly." Not at all. It's a self selecting survey, the people who choose to answer are likely more confident in their abilities than those that don't, and, contrary to common understanding, it is perfectly…

> It's a self selecting survey

I feel like I have to point this out every year, and it's one of the most important things to keep in mind about this survey. A true survey would randomly select developers from the global developer population at large.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

Gone are the days when developers defined their job as 'X-programmer'(X being the language) or at-least in India as platform e.g Java platform.

Companies have realised that programming languages are like 'drill bit in a tool box', one needs to use the best bit for the job.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by astura »

measure2xcut1x wrote: post #67

As a solo indie developer running my own saas business for 20+ years now, and rarely interacting with other devs, this survey is priceless. I often wonder where I and my stack/tools are in relation to the rest of the field. This report (even if it is biased or skewed) makes me feel like I'm not alone and gives me some validation on my life path and technology choices.

I wouldn't put any stake in this survey as any sort of representation of the field in any way whatsoever. The people with SO accounts who even are even aware that SO is conducting a survey is so self-selecting that its in zero way any sort of representation of the industry as a whole.

For example, in SO's survey 80% of respondents say they code as a hobby. If this survey was not self selecting I'd bet the farm that it would be the reverse - 80% didn't code as a hobby.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by thrownaway954 »

WrtCdEvrydy wrote: post #13
andy_adams wrote: post #3

Can someone help this old (2^5 years) developer out? I've worked with a number of programming languages over the years, and have never found a combination that brings me such joy and productivity as Ruby and Rails. However, I've always felt that Python and Ruby were very similar in style & goal. Can someone who is experienced in both Rails & Django explain why Python & Django are trending up so quickly, while Ruby &…

Rails' power came from the gems, once the development shifts from there, Rails became a problem to maintain. I'm liking React more now since you get the full power (and clusterfuck) of npm.

Rails 5 has webpacker embedded, you can use npm packages in your projects.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by diminoten »

andy_adams wrote: post #33
diminoten wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing rising about it, Django been around and very popular for years. Python is just a great confluence of all of the things that other languages lack, and the Python language is adapting to include more and more of the things people actually want. I don't think the Ruby language has been nearly as responsive (some would even say that Python has been too responsive, and certain language features are going t…

One of the main findings of the SO survey was that Python is indeed rising, overtaking other languages as one of the most popular and desired, so although it was popular in the past, it's definitely rising. Most everything else you said could also be said of Ruby - docs, helpful community, flexibility from scripting up to massive webapps. That's what perplexes me - what are the "more of the things people actually wan…

It's degrees. Sure Ruby has those things too, but Python's is better/more comprehensive.

Go look at the releases up from 3.4 of Python. The features that have been added since then are pretty specifically what the community has been asking for. asyncio being integrated into the language, type hinting, f strings, just to name a few.

But yeah, it's not about "does it check the box" at this point with language like Python and Ruby, it's about how they check the box, and to what degree. Simply having a feature isn't enough.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by 666lumberjack »

vturner wrote: post #74

Curious about the salaries for the top four paying technology languages. Three of the four for US are functional focused languages, and for global all four are functional focused. As someone learning Scala, this is both encouraging and interesting, and I'm curious as to any explanation to the table result. Do functional programming languages increase developer productivity so significantly that a single developer can…

I would imagine it's partly a reflection of the classic Python paradox. Developers who'll go out of their way to learn a new language and paradigm before it's mainstream are more likely to be highly talented. Companies that are using less popular languages rather than sticking with the default are more likely to take hiring high quality engineers seriously and pay them well.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by Dumblydorr »

Pfhreak wrote: post #54

I'm a non-binary manager who was formerly a non-binary engineer. I use singular they. I've had people go out of their way to make my professional life more challenging or insulting. But it makes me happy to see nonbinary/nonconforming identities addressed in this survey. Our experience of the tech world is very different, and it's great to see some acknowledgment of that.

What is non binary? I haven't heard that before. Can you share some experiences?

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by ksec »

1. I don't quite understand why people love Rust. I have nothing against it but I just don't quite get why the love. I viewed it as Modern C++ with Memory Management done right from Engineering perspective and elegant syntax with package management done right from the beginning. And may be just my circle or reading list, many Rubyist jumped to Rust, and more often after trying a few times and clicked, they felt in love with it.

2. Ruby = Rails. ~8.5% of Ruby Developers and there are 8.2% of Rails Developers.

3. Ruby / Rails are for many years split in love and dreaded languages and framework. ~50% on both side. I don't see any other languages and framework has similar pattern.

4. There are more Django / Laravel developers than Ruby Rails.

5. ~60% of Developers are on Windows. That was obvious right? And yet Ruby / Rails Community has ignore the Windows as a development platform for years. [1] My guess it is the lack of resources.

6. Speaking of Resources, Ruby is the top programming language that is surviving without a Major Cooperation ( Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft, Google, Apple ) backing.

7. Ruby 's Median salary, comparatively speaking is trending on the higher side. And also one of the highest with respective of lower years of experience. That is both good and bad. Developers get higher salary, but less company are willing to choose it for cost reason.

8. Am I correct to assume those Salaries exclude any Stock grant? Which is common in US?

9. Visual Studio Code really is taking over, and there are more performance improvement coming. [2] I wonder if they would consider moving to WASM in the future.

10. Financial and banking - 8.9%, are the third in respondent's industry. I am a little surprise how many people are working in that field.

11. 60% of them prefer to work in office . THAT is great to hear. Not every one likes working from home or Remote. May be those who prefer to work from home are just very vocal about it.

12. And it is for that reason 80% of them prefer to have a Face to Face conversation. As easy as it is to type, write, calling or even Video conference, I still believe there is something when two people sit together and communicate. There is something that goes far beyond words coming out.

[1] https://samsaffron.com/archive/2019/03/31/why-i-stuck-with-w...

[2] https://twitter.com/kaimaetzel/status/1114908539342864384?s=...

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