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Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by jaabe »

sschueller wrote: post #44

Free Manning, free Assange and free Snowden. These 3 individuals have shown the world the corruption and criminal activity our governments engage in and no matter how hard they try to silence them, eventually the truth will show through.

I think we all got caught up in wiki leaks and the seemingly good fight for truth, but to me, their truth looks biased.

I mean, you have to wonder why wiki leaks helped Trump win the election and then pretty much stopped their American leaks. Did the American military stop using murder drones? Wouldn’t Trumps taxes or the Mueller report be interesting? Why have all the abundance of White House leaks ended up in traditional media instead of on wiki leaks?

I’m not American though, so I’m not really that interested in your domestic politics. I prefer you to be working well with Europe, so it’s fair to say I don’t like Trump, but it’s not like your democrats were really a beacon of freedom and justice internationally either.

Living rather close to Russia, so close that they practice airplane bombing runs on our yearly political summit (folkemødet) and regularly fly on the border of our air space, I do wonder why wiki leaks never houses any Russian leaks. The Ukraine was invaded by the Russian military. Sure they dress up and use local militias to be able to deny it, but that’s exactly what happened. They even hacked the entire power grid, and left fallout which is still effecting Maersk because Maersk happened to use similar software. Yet not a single word on anything on wiki leaks?

Maybe it didn’t start out that way, and maybe Assange is not involved with it, but it sure seem like wiki leaks turned into something anti-democracy.

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by oliwarner »

skilled wrote: post #13
ttul wrote: post #3

Well, I suppose he is learning that the world is a nasty place and that outing the truth has its share of consequences.

What an ignorant and snarky comment. The World IS a vile place not because there is any truth to learn but because the system is made with the intention of deception and corruption.

Your comment seems like a vast overcorrection from it's parent.

Whatever the base cause, he has unlawfully avoided due process by abusing international treaty.

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by trevelyan »

antt wrote: post #70
fastball wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't think Collateral Murder should've been released?

He editorialized that video to hell and back, removing audio which humanized the chopper pilots, condensing 40 minutes into 2, and a whole bunch of other editorial tricks to make the people getting murdered more sympathetic. The only difference was that it was under a Republican administration and Democrats were all for it.

They released an edited and unedited version, as you should know if you indeed watched it.

As far as the ethics of it go, it is pretty typical for media not to air a forty minute video in a one minute news segment. Perhaps the other thirty eight minutes of the killers just chatting was more newsworthy though.

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by antt »

Krasnol wrote: post #80
antt wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only unfortunate thing is how many people turned on him when he started exposing people who they liked. Turns out that all the people who I thought were on the side of truth in the Bush years were just on the side of Democrats.

The guy considered himself some kind of anarchist once. I remember some big speech he had about his independence etc. Now after becoming a cheap tool for the FSB he turned into just another right-wing conspiracy troll on twitter and it's not just "US Democrats" who don't bother about him and his platform anymore. He's just not trustworthy. His platform is not trustworthy. His independence is broken. So why should Dem…

Clinton was predicted to be the next president by everyone. If you had to choose the target of your limited efforts the person who was projected at winning with 70% by the most conservative estimates, and had already turned the middle east into a charnel house, she would have been the one you should spend all your efforts on by any sane calculus.

There should be a name for the mental disorder where you see one group of people being behind everything that's gone wrong with the world. It's probably racism, since s/Russians/Jews/g makes you sound like an anti-semite.

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by antt »

trevelyan wrote: post #83
antt wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He editorialized that video to hell and back, removing audio which humanized the chopper pilots, condensing 40 minutes into 2, and a whole bunch of other editorial tricks to make the people getting murdered more sympathetic. The only difference was that it was under a Republican administration and Democrats were all for it.

They released an edited and unedited version, as you should know if you indeed watched it. As far as the ethics of it go, it is pretty typical for media not to air a forty minute video in a one minute news segment. Perhaps the other thirty eight minutes of the killers just chatting was more newsworthy though.

I absolutely agree with you and him.

What I find distasteful is that the people who were cheering him on when he was doing it to Republicans are now calling him a Russian asset for doing it to democrats.

And vice versa for the Republicans.

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by dragonwriter »

antt wrote: post #70
fastball wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't think Collateral Murder should've been released?

He editorialized that video to hell and back, removing audio which humanized the chopper pilots, condensing 40 minutes into 2, and a whole bunch of other editorial tricks to make the people getting murdered more sympathetic. The only difference was that it was under a Republican administration and Democrats were all for it.

> Democrats were all for it.

Er, no, they generally weren't. WikiLeaks support on the left at the time was mostly from the far left that sees the Democrats as virtually indistinguishable from the Republicans. WikiLeaks has never had support (except maybe in the context of the Trump campaign) from any substantial portion of either major US party.

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by mikejb »

wurst_case wrote: post #58
kzrdude wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the reminder - Manning is currently not free https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/08/chelsea-mann...

Clearly Manning is the most simpathetic of all mistreated 'leakers'. Truly, what does anyone gain by having her locked up?

I think the intent is to make life hard for whistleblowers to discourage others from doing the same.

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by xcppa »

idlewords wrote: post #26
black-tea wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, it's possible that he's lost his mind during the 7 years of imprisonment without trial.

He lives in a diplomatic compound that he is free to leave at any moment. He's gone without trial by choice. The real victims here are the poor Ecuadoran diplomatic staff, and his ex-cat. Oh, and his victims, of course.

Pulling out the chloroform jar?

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by Tepix »

cm2187 wrote: post #63
sschueller wrote: post #44

Free Manning, free Assange and free Snowden. These 3 individuals have shown the world the corruption and criminal activity our governments engage in and no matter how hard they try to silence them, eventually the truth will show through.

I agree with free Snowden. But Manning and Assange had a history of leaking unredacted personal information that is indefensible. In the case of Manning, I might add that the leak didn’t show any major wrong doing. It illustrated some case of collateral damage, which we always knew (and the US military keeps public records of). It showed the underbelly of the US diplomacy, which turns out to be rather clean (some amb…

Manning revealed war crimes, yet the only person who went to prison was Manning.

That's all we need to know really. The system is broken und unable to fix itself.

Edit: Free Reality Winner

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by GVIrish »

wurst_case wrote: post #58
kzrdude wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the reminder - Manning is currently not free https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/08/chelsea-mann...

Clearly Manning is the most simpathetic of all mistreated 'leakers'. Truly, what does anyone gain by having her locked up?

I mean, Manning is in jail because Manning chooses to be in jail. Manning had an immunity deal to testify in front of a grand jury and refused to do so, leading to the contempt of court charge that currently has her in jail.

She says she doesn't believe in the concept of being compelled to testify, which is fine, but the penalty for that is jail.

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