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Re: A woman who doesn't feel pain

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Experienced meditators are supposed to achieve this. I have read that they can have surgery without anesthetics (Gandhi supposedly did it too). They feel the pain but they do not suffer from it.

source please.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S152659000...

https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2010-01983-012

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030439591...

http://www.jneurosci.org/content/31/14/5540

http://www.jneurosci.org/content/35/46/15307

Re: A woman who doesn't feel pain

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Experienced meditators are supposed to achieve this. I have read that they can have surgery without anesthetics (Gandhi supposedly did it too). They feel the pain but they do not suffer from it.

I get cluster headaches or something similar - still being diagnosed. Anyways, they're extremely painful, by far the most pain I've ever experienced. I have a meditation/visualization I do that largely negates the pain. I actually got the idea from The Dresden Files books, oddly enough - the main character does something similar at a few points throughout the series. It works, but only if I can wholly concentrate on…

Can you share details? I have tried to work with pain and meditation but I have always failed with headaches. They seem to consume me totally.

Re: A woman who doesn't feel pain

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I'm really curious... (I'm a sadist, but only with consent and permanent injury is a hard nope) did you try electricity? I've played with several folks with high pain tolerance, and electroplay really seems to "cut through" everybody's defenses. But it's not obvious how that would go, if the neurological signals are getting blocked...

Slightly OT, but since it's rare to talk with a self-identified sadist: Do you think you'd experience the same thrill torturing(?) a masochist as you would a non-masochist?

> Do you think you'd experience the same thrill torturing(?) a masochist as you would a non-masochist?

Oh my god, no, absolutely not. It makes me sick to even think of doing that shit to somebody who doesn't want it. Nevermind the legal consequences, I couldn't live with myself.

Re: A woman who doesn't feel pain

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I'm baffled by the fact she only realized it when she was 65. I understand that when you were born like that it might just be normal, and maybe you don't put too much thought into it, but it's just... Didn't she ever wonder why other people scream like crazy when they touch a hot pan, hit their head, and she doesn't? Didn't other people realize in those 65 years that she doesn't have any reaction when it happens to h…

A lot of apparently normal people don't realise that they're a psychopath. They learn to imitate empathy by rote, but they don't actually experience it and don't realise that anything is missing in their perception of the world.

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/outintheopen/impostors-1.4695876/ho...

Re: A woman who doesn't feel pain

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source please.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S152659000... https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2010-01983-012 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030439591... http://www.jneurosci.org/content/31/14/5540 http://www.jneurosci.org/content/35/46/15307

Naively it makes sense, pain is just a sensation, but suffering is more complex. I doubt that we can truly shit off sensitivity to noxious stimuli, but meditation (and maybe some generic factors) seem like a way to manage reactions to that stimuli. Having said that, and skimming the links, I’d guess there’s a limit. A lot of what we’d naively expect to be excruciating is more upsetting and distressing than purely painful. Some things however, like inflammation of the trigemanal nerve, is really a source of intractable pain. I have my doubts that meditation would be of much use in that context, or extreme osteogenic pain.

Re: A woman who doesn't feel pain

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I'm really curious... (I'm a sadist, but only with consent and permanent injury is a hard nope) did you try electricity? I've played with several folks with high pain tolerance, and electroplay really seems to "cut through" everybody's defenses. But it's not obvious how that would go, if the neurological signals are getting blocked...

She wanted to. By then I was tired of all the games. Not my thing.

Fair, fair. Serious talk, that sounds traumatizing.

I've heard some similar stories from folks who did things for their partners, who didn't enjoy the things they were doing. It's weird because you feel like you're the responsible one; you're in control, holding the belt or whatever! But you're not really in control. You're the one pushing your boundaries, inexperienced and barely-willing, and probably completely unprepared.

I have a lot of sympathy for you, and it's okay to be upset. If these memories are still painful, I'd heartily recommend talking to a professional.

As for people in her position: go to fetlife, get in touch with your local community, and find somebody who (a) knows what they're doing and won't damage you, and (b) gives free, prior and informed consent. Don't just demand/convince your vanilla partner to try shit out -- that's neither free nor informed; and if your demands escalate in-scene, then it's not prior.

Re: A woman who doesn't feel pain

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I'm really curious... (I'm a sadist, but only with consent and permanent injury is a hard nope) did you try electricity? I've played with several folks with high pain tolerance, and electroplay really seems to "cut through" everybody's defenses. But it's not obvious how that would go, if the neurological signals are getting blocked...

Why do you get off on hurting people?

Honestly? The thing I like the most about sex is the noises my partner makes. And what's the best sound somebody can make during sex? Screaming, of course.

Turns out, making people scream (when they want to be screaming) is all that really does it for me: sex is wet and sticky and gross and I kinda hate it.

On either end of the paddle, though; I think it's all about the endorphins?

Re: A woman who doesn't feel pain

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Not feeling pain can have some really disabiliting effect on one's life. A rather famous player in the Counter-Strike community suffers from a rare genetic disease that make him feel much less pain than normal. He started to scratch his nose out of habit when he was a kid, and eventually it came off over the course of years of scratching. His name is lo0p__ : https://www.twitch.tv/lo0p__ Edit: You can see him explain…

Whoa, that's gnarly. I'm curious how someone like this would be able to perform in physically demanding activities such as weight lifting or something like track. I wonder if they'd be able to push their bodies past normal limits because of (possibly) not feeling muscle fatigue.

Re: A woman who doesn't feel pain

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Wouldn't it be more natural to say, you don't need nitrous oxide to achieve this, you can practice to manage chronic pain.

"Natural" is just a buzzword. People have eaten plants for medicinal purposes since pre-historic times. Why should we shy away from advances in medicine and force the patients to re-wire their brains instead? Meditation is unnatural. The natural thing is to experience pain when something painful happens.

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Re: A woman who doesn't feel pain

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Having no pain, okay. But having no anxiety? wow, that sounds like true heaven to anxious me.

Having appropriate responses to stimuli is vastly more useful.

Often increasing anxiety is very much the appropriate response to one's experiences, but still not a useful one.
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