>> Fuck the Vessel
Or, the author could do something about it other than whine. Make an ADA case regarding the limited floors accessible by elevators for instance - that's a freebie.
Fuck The Vessel
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#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
>The parent poster wrote "poor people who have nothing more to hate on rich people about than that they have money", which sounds like well-founded animus to me. Let me make sure I understand, because I fear we may be talking past each other. Are you suggesting that the simple fact that one has more money than you is sufficient to justify animus? (I'm happy to discuss the rest of your post once we clear up this parti…
> Are you suggesting that the simple fact that one has more money than you is sufficient to justify animus? Not if the difference is trivial, but absolutely when it is as enormous and as unmotivated as it often is. Why would it be strange that obviously unfair inequality would be a source of animus?
Saying "I hate you for having more than me and I want your stuff" is just straight up jealousy, and it should be easy to understand why wealthy people respond with hostility to this, creating a negative feedback loop.
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#83“Fuck the vessel” can be taken more than one way. But that aside, I think is is great to have something weird in a city you can go visit. Something unusual that isn’t a business or a residence or a road. I think people stuck in a city all the time are missing out on nature, but something like the Vessel is an opportubity to escape and do something pointless for a few minutes.
Taleb in Antifragile makes almost the exact opposite point - that you should be flaneur, rather than a tourist. A flaneur enjoys viewing and being part of the natural rhythms of the city, whereas the tourist just goes to the showpieces with the other tourists. While I'm not convinced by Taleb in general, I think he gets this point right.
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#84I mean, I'm not a big fan of Hudson Yards... ...but this piece doesn't seem to make any coherent argument. Nowhere does she explain why she dislikes it aesthetically. She simply seems to dislike that it was designed to be Instagrammable (is that so bad for art/sculpture which is inherently visual?), has some bizarre thoughts on climbing staircases (she's against climbing the Eiffel Tower as well, does she hate exerci…
The author is: " Kate Wagner is the creator of the viral blog McMansionHell, which roasts the world’s ugliest houses from top to bottom, all while teaching about architecture and design. " Judging by http://mcmansionhell.com/101 she has strong opinions which are not immediately understandable, to me, anyway. (It seems like she would believe most of the parts of Europe I've seen and all those houses in the US that hav…
After reading the article under discussion, I expected the blog to be similarly awful — but I find it thoughtful and educational, despite its intentionally abrasive style. I hope to read more of it, since the writer is skilled at explaining aesthetic concepts clearly.
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#85This article is a perfect encapsulation of our current culture of contempt. It is no longer sufficient, or even possible, to just disagree or have different tastes. "I'm personally not a big fan of that building's aesthetics, but maybe there are others who do like it." That would have been a reasonable opinion to hold... instead we have: "Designed by Thomas Heatherwick, one of architecture’s premier grifters... The d…
Have a look at heatherwick's buildings. Tell me what you think.
Nobody does architectural criticism anymore. In the industry it is all breathless, feint praise. Like the Hollywood cliché.
I for one, enjoy hearing someone's critical thinking about the architecture underneath the skin of a building. As in, the systems and processes that structure space and movement and interaction and emotion and society. What is the fucking point of architecture if all it does is pretty.
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#86I get all my NY news from the "gothamist" (I miss NY snark sometimes). They've had good "Vessel" coverage: Including that the name might change: And the controversy over who owns the images you take of the sculpture (or whatever it is).
http://gothamist.com/2019/03/21/vessel_name.php
http://gothamist.com/tags/vessel
also somewhat relevant:
http://gothamist.com/2019/03/22/native_new_yorkers_complain....
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
(one of) the other layers is that its only purpose is to inflate real estate values of luxury apartments that already were built only to be sold to the criminally-wealthy international investor class that uses luxury US real estate as a form of international banking/money laundering, while masquerading in the press as a "community" and the Vessel itself as a "public space," when in reality it is anything but. The com…
See also the Gateway Arch in St. Louis and the Statue of Liberty.
Except those aren't decorations to inflate property values.
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#88This article is a perfect encapsulation of our current culture of contempt. It is no longer sufficient, or even possible, to just disagree or have different tastes. "I'm personally not a big fan of that building's aesthetics, but maybe there are others who do like it." That would have been a reasonable opinion to hold... instead we have: "Designed by Thomas Heatherwick, one of architecture’s premier grifters... The d…
And I hope to God I never have to live or work in one of those abhorrent bare steel&glass modernist (postmodernist? whatever the style is called) neighborhoods, yet every major city is turning into one. This style of architecture, which appears to be the only one allowed (certainly the only one being built) deserves far worse than contempt. Yet it is architects that treat everyone else with contempt, ignoring the cle…
It started life as a style called internationalist. It is brought to you by the same people that champion open plan offices. They are cheaper to build than traditional style buildings, by an order of magnitude. But critically allow for maximising flexible floor space for optimum returns.
Architects don't really have much power in the design of these kind of buildings beyond window dressing.
Edit. Also, refer to the author's blog for what happens when contemporary architects try to do traditional buildings. The fact is, each historical style of building existed in a larger process of building craft and materials and use. Without this process, the architecture becomes mere pastiche, stuck on, and shoehorned in. Frankensteined architecture.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
The author is: " Kate Wagner is the creator of the viral blog McMansionHell, which roasts the world’s ugliest houses from top to bottom, all while teaching about architecture and design. " Judging by http://mcmansionhell.com/101 she has strong opinions which are not immediately understandable, to me, anyway. (It seems like she would believe most of the parts of Europe I've seen and all those houses in the US that hav…
It is snobbery, mostly. How dare those unwashed masses live in those houses?! And those houses are "Ewww!"
The houses she lambaste are almost exclusively upper-middle class and high-class houses. I think she is railing against lazy/incompetent architects more than the owners of the properties.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Are you suggesting that the simple fact that one has more money than you is sufficient to justify animus? Not if the difference is trivial, but absolutely when it is as enormous and as unmotivated as it often is. Why would it be strange that obviously unfair inequality would be a source of animus?
Saying "I hate you for having more than me and I want your stuff" is just straight up jealousy, and it should be easy to understand why wealthy people respond with hostility to this, creating a negative feedback loop.
Your quote is a straw man, but what does it matter if jealousy is involved or not? You can disregard any animosity stemming from social injustices with that logic. Women are just straight up jealous because men are paid more. Blacks are just straight up jealous because whites have longer life expectancy. LGBTs are just straight up jealous because straight cis people don’t have to conceal a central part of who they are.