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Nvidia to Acquire Mellanox for $6.9B

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Re: Nvidia to Acquire Mellanox for $6.9B

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Post by 1024core »

dotancohen wrote: post #61
nabla9 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you reflect a little, I'm sure that you can backtrack that claim that only 1% of Israelis and Palestinians have qualm with each others. Every country has more bigots than 1%. If you look at Israeli public opinion polls from past ten years or so, you get very different view. 30% feel hatred when they hear Arab spoken in the street, 50% say they would refuse to work at a job where direct supervisor was an Arab.

Maybe not 1%, but it really is not a significant portion. At least not in the circles where I am found: 1. I'm "a settler" in the West Bank. 2. I work in Israeli high-tech. 3. I work with mostly religious Jews. Note that the polls suffer from "survivor bias", the people answering the polls are those who feel that they need to should their opinion to the world. I don't answer polls, and with elections coming I get sev…

> Maybe not 1%, but it really is not a significant portion. At least not in the circles where I am found

Ah, the "No true Scotsman" defense.

Re: Nvidia to Acquire Mellanox for $6.9B

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Post by 1024core »

md5person wrote: post #51
majewsky wrote: post #48

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That's a very obvious strawman. If you downsize it to the level that GP alluded to, asking if Trump's voters are jerks because they voted him into power, I guess a non-negligible amount of people would agree.

Have you read tootie's comment at-all? > "You can't say your PM is a jerk, but not the people because the people voted for him (or at least his party)." No, it's not the people. It's some people that voted Likud in. Much like some Americans voted Trump in. Where's the strawman?

Those "some people" must number more than 1%, right? It is almost impossible to win a non-trivial number of seats in the election if only 1% of the people support you.

30% of Americans even today support Trump. So one would be right to claim that 30% of Americans are jerks.

Re: Nvidia to Acquire Mellanox for $6.9B

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Post by eganist »

dotancohen wrote: post #61
nabla9 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you reflect a little, I'm sure that you can backtrack that claim that only 1% of Israelis and Palestinians have qualm with each others. Every country has more bigots than 1%. If you look at Israeli public opinion polls from past ten years or so, you get very different view. 30% feel hatred when they hear Arab spoken in the street, 50% say they would refuse to work at a job where direct supervisor was an Arab.

Maybe not 1%, but it really is not a significant portion. At least not in the circles where I am found: 1. I'm "a settler" in the West Bank. 2. I work in Israeli high-tech. 3. I work with mostly religious Jews. Note that the polls suffer from "survivor bias", the people answering the polls are those who feel that they need to should their opinion to the world. I don't answer polls, and with elections coming I get sev…

> 50% would refuse to work under Arab supervision? Again, this is ridiculous. I don't think money-sucking Jews would refuse to work under Hitler.

Got curious and googled. Couldn't find that last statistic, but it seems 58% (give or take) of residents in the city of Ashkelon were in favor of terminating public works projects (specifically construction of bomb shelters at kindergartens) where Arab workers were employed.

Whether this is an effective proxy for all of Israel or even for the question at hand is unknown to me, and it probably isn't the case considering Israeli AG Yehuda Weinstein warned the city's mayor not to execute the decree, but I'm not terribly focused on the decree itself as much as I'm focused on the population backing it. 58% of a city would appear to be fearful of an employed population because of their ethnic heritage... that's terrifying.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/ashkelon-mayor-warned-over-arab...

(p.s. it seems mayor Itamar Shimoni ultimately backed off the move, possibly one of the rare cases where an elected public official made a more well-informed decision than what was desired by the official's constituents. https://www.jta.org/2014/11/23/israel/ashkelon-mayor-decides... )

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Disclosure: I'm an American-born person of Persian descent, though I'm likely unable (and certainly unwilling) to revisit Persia/Iran under the current regime.

Re: Nvidia to Acquire Mellanox for $6.9B

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Post by MichaelMoser123 »

nabla9 wrote: post #54
dotancohen wrote: post #27

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I love the spin you put on it. Palestinian programmers make no less than Israeli programmers in the Israeli high technology sector. In fact, that goes for all jobs in the Israeli high-tech sector, from PMs to HR, CTOs. Furthermore, Palestinians in the West bank regularly talk to me about their situation, because I'm what you would call a "settler" and I buy in their towns, and I pick them up hitchhiking, and I talk t…

If you reflect a little, I'm sure that you can backtrack that claim that only 1% of Israelis and Palestinians have qualm with each others. Every country has more bigots than 1%. If you look at Israeli public opinion polls from past ten years or so, you get very different view. 30% feel hatred when they hear Arab spoken in the street, 50% say they would refuse to work at a job where direct supervisor was an Arab.

I am an Israeli citizens and worked under an Arabic speaking supervisor as a programmer, didn't have any problems with that. Not sure if these numbers are correct - polls can be manipulated in many subtle ways, polls in Israel have a bad track records in terms of accuracy.

Re: Nvidia to Acquire Mellanox for $6.9B

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Post by nabla9 »

MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #84
nabla9 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you reflect a little, I'm sure that you can backtrack that claim that only 1% of Israelis and Palestinians have qualm with each others. Every country has more bigots than 1%. If you look at Israeli public opinion polls from past ten years or so, you get very different view. 30% feel hatred when they hear Arab spoken in the street, 50% say they would refuse to work at a job where direct supervisor was an Arab.

I am an Israeli citizens and worked under an Arabic speaking supervisor as a programmer, didn't have any problems with that. Not sure if these numbers are correct - polls can be manipulated in many subtle ways, polls in Israel have a bad track records in terms of accuracy.

> I am an Israeli citizens and worked under an Arabic speaking supervisor as a programmer, didn't have any problems with that.

I'm sure your are aware that you didn't give a counterargument.

Re: Nvidia to Acquire Mellanox for $6.9B

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Post by remind_me_again »

thisisit wrote: post #69
jabl wrote: post #23

This is interesting. Mellanox has apparently been under activist investor pressure to reduce their R&D expenses and pay more dividends. And then there was the rumors that Intel were interested, but apparently Nvidia in the end offered more. From a HPC perspective I think it's good Nvidia got the deal, Intel is already a quite dominating force in that market, and if they'd have gotten the deal it wouldn't have surpris…

A similarly interesting fact is that Starboard Value, the activist fund had tried to get Mellanox join with Marvell another company in its portfolio. But Marvell was rebuffed. Later Marvell went on to acquire Cavium for 6 billion dollars with aim to build an infrastructure company. Though from the company's latest earnings release it seems that the deal isn't really a good one.

Such big market cap for companies we do not hear at all. Well, of course, at least me.

Re: Nvidia to Acquire Mellanox for $6.9B

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Post by skinnymuch »

dotancohen wrote: post #27
bhouston wrote: post #8

Interesting fact, Mellanox is an employer of Palestinian programmers in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip. Sort of a mixed blessing, cheap labor without other options because of the occupation, but real opportunities and a more educated and well off population will be more effective at advocating for its rights: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/palestinian-hig...

I love the spin you put on it. Palestinian programmers make no less than Israeli programmers in the Israeli high technology sector. In fact, that goes for all jobs in the Israeli high-tech sector, from PMs to HR, CTOs. Furthermore, Palestinians in the West bank regularly talk to me about their situation, because I'm what you would call a "settler" and I buy in their towns, and I pick them up hitchhiking, and I talk t…

What you’re saying already seems a bit suspect. Especially with you commenting on someone else putting spin on something you appear to be putting spin on. Then you start things off with going against what the OP’s article says in its subtitle without any backing:

“'For the price of one Israeli engineer, an [Israeli] company can hire three Palestinians in the West Bank, and they have very high motivation'”

Likewise, the 1% of Palestinians and Israelis have any qualms with one another also has no backing by any data or real life. Since it also isn’t true at all and there’s actually polls, maybe studies, to show that isn’t true. Too much spin.

Re: Nvidia to Acquire Mellanox for $6.9B

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Post by MichaelMoser123 »

nabla9 wrote: post #86
MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am an Israeli citizens and worked under an Arabic speaking supervisor as a programmer, didn't have any problems with that. Not sure if these numbers are correct - polls can be manipulated in many subtle ways, polls in Israel have a bad track records in terms of accuracy.

> I am an Israeli citizens and worked under an Arabic speaking supervisor as a programmer, didn't have any problems with that. I'm sure your are aware that you didn't give a counterargument.

I questioned the validity of polls in Israel, if you noticed. Can expand on that: the population is very fragmented and you can manipulate the poll by the way that a question is framed for instance, by the selection of persons polled, lots if variables that also tend to be abused in one way or another. They can't even get the exit polls right, seriously!

Re: Nvidia to Acquire Mellanox for $6.9B

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Post by skinnymuch »

fxfan wrote: post #45
Cyph0n wrote: post #39

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And Israeli children aren’t? Both sides use outrageous claims to fuel the fire, so to speak.

how on earth can you compare children toting guns and shouting `death to israel` with whatever the israeli kids are taught? (I doubt they are even told about Palestinians, tbh)

Not being told about the Palestinians at all would be pretty bad. Pretty sure any country with an extremely controversial history dealing with other people not telling children about those people at all is bad.
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