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Winding down my Debian involvement

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Re: Winding down my Debian involvement

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That falsely presupposes that only people with poor quality bug reports would be put off from reporting bugs due to the interface. I've known people who can provide high quality, detailed bugs, decide not to because the extra hassles in reporting to Debian just aren't worth it to them.

No, it assumes that quality ratio varies by reporting mechanism. 9 good reports and 1 bad report are better than 18 good reports and 82 bad reports.

Bad reports can be closed with a message. But you can't do much about good reports which never got filed because the process was unnecessarily complicated.

There are tools like reportbug which already help to filter out inappropriate use by asking simple questions and doing basic checks. I'm sure that could be further improved to help triage and improve submissions.

Re: Winding down my Debian involvement

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For next time: dpkg -S path/to/file gives the the name of the package containing a file, and dpkg -s package-name gives you the name of the maintainer.

All mails I've sent to maintainers of packages regarding issues with them have been ignored. I think they prefer you to use the bug tracker. (Which sucks, so I always end up doing nothing about it.) In the end I switched all my servers to Ubuntu. It's been good and I love PPAs.

Ubuntu bug reporting is just as shitty. No reply for 6+ months was common for me. One time I even tracked down the issue, which was fixed upstream just one commit after the one they used for their package. Still no reaction, but about a year later they asked of the problem still persists with the current release. I didn't bother to reply and stopped reporting to either Ubuntu or Debian.

Re: Winding down my Debian involvement

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I've been using Debian / Ubuntu for many years, as much due to inertia and familiarity as anything else. And I have a lot of respect for the project. If I wanted to start being a contributor to a distribution, which one would be the best to dive in to?

I would be interested to know the generally-accepted answers to this as well. What are the free/libre OSes which most folks enjoy contributing to?

It's a bit of an odd ball, but I loved contributing to the GuixSD project. I contributed multiple packages after learning Guile Scheme in a couple of days.

Re: Winding down my Debian involvement

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Sad to see it takes this to raise such issues. It’s hard to make a change on the inside when so many people’s lives depend on not making that change. Maybe Debian needs to go through a OpenWRT/LEDE split. That was over a lot of resistence to change and general bureaucracy. In the end, they merged back after fixing the biggest problems.

Isn’t that Ubuntu?

Re: Winding down my Debian involvement

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You're the guy behind i3? Thank you very much. I love it.

I’m glad you like i3!

Still using i3 too! It just works great and never gets in the way.

Btw. You changed from .name to .ch I noticed... Trying to naturalize? ;)

Re: Winding down my Debian involvement

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, as both a Mac and a Debian user, I’m not sure which one I prefer. I understand your frustration, but random strangers not being allowed to push updates to my operating system in 5.34 seconds doesn’t sound all bad. To me. (Obviously not that TFA paints a rosy picture..)

> but random strangers not being allowed to push updates to my operating system in 5.34 seconds doesn’t sound all bad. To me. So that's what the frustrating to maintainers crumbling infrastructure and crappy tooling are for. Now it all makes sense! Actually, I'd very much prefer quickly pushed updates in case of severe security issues. Debian had lots of really ancient packages with problems in "stable" last time I l…

You're misunderstanding the point of Debian.

Debian's "stable" release is that. Stable. No updates are issued for packages except for critical security updates, which are backported to the released version.

It's essentially an LTS release. This isn't what everyone wants or needs, but if you do, Debian does it very well.

Re: Winding down my Debian involvement

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The sidebar makes this barely readable on Pixel 2. The markdown is easy to read: https://github.com/stapelberg/hugo/blob/master/content/posts...

Sorry about that! I’m not great with Web Design, as you can tell. If anyone wants to contribute a CSS fix, or just a pointer to a good article on how to fix this, I’d be very grateful!

Besides the lack of responsive sidebar, never justify text on the internet. Particularly for blog posts.

Re: Winding down my Debian involvement

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Improving the distribution developer experience was one of the early objectives of Ubuntu, and where it had the least amount of success. It's a pity, because perhaps the only useful thing you could get out of essentially forking Debian (in itself not a great idea, but say you wanted to...) is independence from its technical and social processes. Ubuntu's processes are different, but not wildly improved... primarily because Launchpad was designed from a database schema, not for users.

Ubuntu exploited a clear gaping hole in the distro market in 2004. There's still a gap in 2019, but it's a weirder market now than it was back then.

Re: Winding down my Debian involvement

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Sad to see it takes this to raise such issues. It’s hard to make a change on the inside when so many people’s lives depend on not making that change. Maybe Debian needs to go through a OpenWRT/LEDE split. That was over a lot of resistence to change and general bureaucracy. In the end, they merged back after fixing the biggest problems.

nice nickname...once I made a drawing for a girl I liked on age 15 or so saying I am Crazy4U :D I guess you like apple cpmpuetrs or apple juice, what remembers me of chuck berry who like grape juice I mean cheap Bordeaux Stylish red Wine...

He had that pirougue where he drinks bordeaux wine you can See on his song Bordeaux on my Pirogue an Fabulous a deviation or derivation or The Very Same Origin Itself of Jambalaya the One song recorded by ManyOne

SO...

There is only One X captain as there is only One sky and its not fckng me Fuck! not me, its not me OK! allright

There is only One ocean that thE thrEE oceans form and there are 3 oceans as One and Earth As One with 3 oceans and 3 boats and each boat as One has a Cap and ALLCAPS join form the piroughe Our Own One boat one ocean

As three x form an xxx only for adults as an X in HIGHCAP or BIGCAP whatever don`t call it anything yeah well A X cap is rare you see my friend you do not see righ you know what I mean you do not see you know

Apple nickname friend likes fucking apple;

I guess he likes fckng apple shitty computas

I have One 11 fuckng inches shit or whatever macbook Air HongKong proudly assembled in 2013

in the deep of the sea a place name Atlantida, I took my boat with my sailors and I asked my sailor to tie me to the main master of the boat and never let me fall again for the singing og the mermaids and I have dropped my Sharp as me Myself as the dagger of Emperor who gave himself and his dagger to be dirtyed commanded by the very hands itselves of the very LIGHT and THE BRIGHTNESS

WU ZHAO ! ! !

Filha de Wu Shihou, que detinha um cargo oficial, e Madame Yang (da linhagem da família imperial Sui), Wu Zhao pertencia à nobreza.[3]

Por esta altura, apesar da sociedade chinesa ser uma sociedade patriarcal, as mulheres desfrutavam de uma relativa liberdade, comparando com outras épocas. Por essa razão, Wu Zhao teve a oportunidade de estudar a escrita e música chinesas. Isto vem-lhe a ser útil mais tarde, quando o imperador Taizong 太宗 aceita Wu Zhao no seu harém como uma consorte de nível cinco, que corresponde ao título “Senhora de Talentos” (Cairen 才人) , aos 13 anos. Wu Zhao, por esta altura, já demonstrava uma atitude bastante determinada como se vê neste excerto:

    “O imperador tinha um cavalo muito selvagem que ninguém conseguia dominar e então pediu às mulheres do seu palácio alguns conselhos. Wu respondeu, ‘Eu consigo controlá-lo [o cavalo], mas irei precisar de três coisas: primeiro, um chicote de ferro; segundo, um bastão de ferro; e terceiro, um punhal. Se o chicote de ferro não o levar a obedecer eu usarei o bastão de ferro para lhe bater na cabeça, e se isso não resultar eu usarei o punhal para cortar a sua garganta.”[4]
Esta destreza feminina impressionou Taizong, empregando-a como sua secretária durante os próximos dez anos. Segundo o autor, Yuen Ting Lee, após a morte do imperador Taizong em 649, a “Senhora de Talentos” foi enviada para o templo budista Ganye. Mas ao invés de passar o resto da sua vida como uma freira budista, o filho de Taizong, Gaozong, que sucedeu a seu pai tornando-se imperador, visita-a no primeiro aniversário da morte do seu pai. Tendo sempre uma estima especial por Wu, o imperador afasta-a do templo e leva-a de novo para a corte, desta vez nomeando-a “Lady of Bright Countenance” (zhaoyi 昭裔)

The Light my sister Zhao told a joke saying that TaiGong said:

´´You think you, little girl , is worthy of dirting my dagger``

The truth is that Taigon didnt offer histhe chain of steel (you think an Emperor would carry a fucking iron bar around) nor the horse was whipped by chain or hammer no hammer was offered what The Emperor Of China Taigong gave The Brightness was his dagger and she tamed Black Wind with a Flower...

Never was it the cowardice faka false fucking cowardices fucking shit of the kind its not fucking alloewd to paint even in the simple cheap vases in Athenas

It is fucking sharp like the talk and the blazer on tshirt of the smart bright and sharp white haired old sharp programmer

And it weights like a fuckiing kilo and have these sharp fuking edges or borders call it filo(spanish) filo porque quilo (see janio quadros) whatever It Has The good shape of the disc that old grreek olim´pics loves one of the most the disc olympic disc (see statue or dont fucking see it if wyou will free will))

ok

And it is with Atlantida and when I took the boat and my sailor tied me to the main master not to fall againg to singing of the mermaids and I let my weapon fall from the boat and before I let it slip by the border of the boat I envolved it in a Shirt and for it when it slips by the outer walls of the boat it leaves no Mark and left no marks on the outer wooden walls of the boat and when I first touched my feet on land I thoroughly look at the walls many many many times both sides of the boat and I See and I know and I See...

There was no mark in the boat there is no Mark in The Boat...

Chinese Idiom: 刻舟求剑(kèzhōuqiújiàn) Mark the Boat for a Dropped Sword

Key Learning Point (Preview): 刻舟求剑 (kèzhōuqiújiàn) To Mark the Boat to Look for the Sword Idiom Story:

Yǒu yígè Chǔguó rén chūmén yuǎnxíng. 有 一个 楚国 人 出门 远行。 There was a man from Chu who went out on a long journey.

Tā zài chéngchuán guòjiāng de shíhou, bù xiǎoxīn bǎ suíshēn dàizhe de jiàn luòdào jiāngzhōng le. 他 在 乘船 过江 的 时候, 不 小心 把 随身 带着 的 剑 落到 江中 了。 When he was crossing the river by ship, his sword fell into the water because of his carelessness.

Zhègè Chǔguó rén mǎshàng yòng yìbǎ xiǎodāo zài chuánxián shàng kè le gè jìhào, 这个 楚国 人 马上 用 一把 小刀 在 船舷 上 刻了 个 记号, The man from Chu immediately made a mark with his knife on the side of the boat where his sword fell in,

Ránhòu huítóu duì dàjiā shuō: “Zhèshì wǒde jiàn diào xiàqù de dìfang. 然后 回头 对 大家 说:“ 这是 我的 剑 掉 下去 的 地方。” He then turn around and said to everybody: “This is where my sword fell in.”

Zhòngrén yíhuò bù jiě de wàngzhe nàgè dāo kè de yìnjì. 众人 疑惑 不 解 地 望着 那个 刀 刻 的 印记。 The other people looked confusedly at the imprint made by the knife.

Yǒurén cuīcù tā shuō: “Kuài xiàshuǐ qù zhǎo jiàn ya! 有人 催促 他 说:“ 快 下水 去 找 剑 呀!” Some people urged him by saying: “Hurry and find the sword!”

Chǔguó rén shuō: “ Huāng shénme, wǒ yǒu jìhào ne.” 楚国 人 说: “ 慌 什么, 我 有 记号 呢。” The man from Chu said: “There’s no need to hurry, I made a mark.”

Chuán jìxù qiánxíng, yòu yǒu rén duì tā shuō: “Zài bú xiàqù zhǎo jiàn, zhè chuán yuè zǒu yuè yuǎn, 船 继续 前行, 又 有 人 对 他 说:“ 再 不 下去 找 剑, 这 船 越 走 越 远, dāngxīn zhǎo bù huílái le.” 当心 找 不 回来 了。” The ship continued to move forward, and another man said to him: “The ship is going farther and farther. If you don’t look for the sword, you won’t get it back.”

Chǔguó rén yījiù zìxìn de shuō: “ Búyòng jí, búyòng jí, jìhào kè zài nàr ne. 楚国 人 依旧 自信 地 说:“ 不用 急,不用 急,记号 刻 在 那儿呢。” The man from Chu still said confidently: “Don’t worry, don’t worry. The mark is still there.”

Zhízhì chuán xíngdào ànbiān tíngxià hòu, zhègè Chǔguó rén cái shùnzhe tā kè yǒu jìhào de dìfāng 直至 船 行到 岸边 停下 后, 这个 楚国 人 才 顺着 他 刻 有 记号 的 地方 xiàshuǐ qù zhǎojiàn. 下水 去 找剑。 When the ship stopped at the shore, the man from Chu jumped into the water at the place indicated by his mark to find the sword.

Tā zài ànbiān chuánxià de shuǐzhōng fèi le hǎo dà yízhèn gōngfu, jiéguǒ háowúsuǒhuò, hái zhāolái le 他 在 岸边 船下 的 水中 费 了 好 大 一阵 工夫,结果 毫 无 所 获, 还 招来 了 zhòngrén de jīxiào. 众人 的 讥笑。 He looked for the sword in the water below the boat at the shore, taking a long time, but in vain. And he was laughed at by the others.

Key Learning Point:

刻舟求剑(kèzhōuqiújiàn) This idiom is used as a metaphor to refer to those who consider things from a static viewpoint without taking into account the ever changing situation.

Examples:

Nǐ zěnme zǒng yòng lǎo bànfǎ jiějué wèntí? Zhēnshì kèzhōuqiújiàn! 你 怎么 总 用 老 办法 解决 问题? 真是 刻舟求剑! Why do you always use old ways to solve problems? It’s a foolish undertaking!

Nǐmen gōngchǎng zěnme hái bù gǎijìn jìshù, zhè búshì kèzhōuqiújiàn ma? 你们 工厂 怎么 还 不 改进 技术,这 不是 刻舟求剑 吗? Why has your factory still not improved on your technology? You’re not taking a fruitless approach are you?

Question:

The man from Chu in the idiom刻舟求剑 (kèzhōuqiújiàn) is very ____. A. foolish B. clever C. principled

See Answer

See make a mark and take a picture

See https://www.echineselearning.com/blog/chinese-idiom-kezhou-q...

SO THERE IS

Near BY ATLANTIDA

The Antequera Computer

and there is no mark in the boat...

Re: Winding down my Debian involvement

#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, as both a Mac and a Debian user, I’m not sure which one I prefer. I understand your frustration, but random strangers not being allowed to push updates to my operating system in 5.34 seconds doesn’t sound all bad. To me. (Obviously not that TFA paints a rosy picture..)

Those changes are reviewed by maintainers. The fact that a random stranger is able to push a change and get it reviewed, approved, merged, and available in minutes should be the goal of most open source projects. On the contrary, older projects tend to be too reactionary when it comes to infrastructure tools, so in turn they get very slow interactions. This becomes a demotivator for anybody who is used to more effici…

> The fact that a random stranger is able to push a change and get it reviewed, approved, merged, and available in minutes should be the goal of most open source projects

> On the contrary, older projects tend to be too reactionary when it comes to infrastructure tools, so in turn they get very slow interactions

Well said.

'Open source' doesn't say anything about infrastructure. But it's just as important.

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