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Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by whatislovecraft » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 10:53 PM UTC

iooi wrote: post #13

paxys wrote: post #7

It's so shady that their advertised price includes some hypothetical "potential gas savings", and the actual price is behind a tiny "learn more" link.

I don't have a Twitter account, but I recommend submitting this to: https://darkpatterns.org/ This is shameful and should be called out. Price is not the same thing as cost of ownership.

You can only use Dark Patterns with a Twitter account?

Is this some kind of intentional irony or something? Social Login force-tied to a specific company is Dark Pattern #1 in my books.

Edit: They define "dark pattern" at the top of their site:

> Dark Patterns are tricks used in websites and apps that make you buy or sign up for things that you didn't mean to.

That's exactly with Login With Twitter is. The user is presented with a simple option for logging in, but then is tricked by giving their metadata and account info that will 'sign them up' to be analyzed and targeted by Twitter for whatever purposes. Yes the TOS is probably there on social login, but aren't Long TOSs that are prompted in the middle of a user flow also Dark Patterns, as no user is likely to read them?

Can't possibly take that site seriously.

Edit 2: The darkest pattern from their site:

> We aren't great at responding to email — Twitter is best.

Yikes.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by reitzensteinm » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 10:54 PM UTC

traviswingo wrote: post #34

paxys wrote: post #7

It's so shady that their advertised price includes some hypothetical "potential gas savings", and the actual price is behind a tiny "learn more" link.

The actual price is literally right there on the screen. Potential gas savings is still a huge selling point to the market they're addressing (maybe not for you or I). I'm not sure this qualifies as "shady" when everything is displayed within the same viewport.

They subtract gas savings, but don't add the destination fee or any state taxes. I kind of get the gas savings bit, but to selectively include savings and hide other fees is shady as hell in my opinion.

At least that's what it was like before; in Australia, the Model 3 configuration screen is apparently now stuck in an infinite redirect loop. It looks like it's unchanged, but I can't look at the page for more than a second.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by Diederich » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 10:56 PM UTC

dmitrygr wrote: post #80

Actually: $36,200 Tesla charges a non-negotiable $1,200 "Destination & doc fee" which in CA is not a fee . It is not state mandated, and is just pure profit for dealerships that charge it (explaining why the amount varies wildly per-dealership). Google it. It is NOT required anywhere, and all cars I've ever bought, I've gotten the dealership to pay it.

Do the other manufacturers include this in their base price advertisements?

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by 11thEarlOfMar » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 10:56 PM UTC

_ph_ wrote: post #25

jakemor wrote: post #3

So this is the big news?

Yes, it is. For Tesla it means, that they made up to their promise given when introducing the Model 3. Tesla has gotten a lot of critique after the Model 3 deliveries where much later than initially expected and the available versions much more expensive then the promised base price. Offering now a Model 3 for that base price should win them a lot of credibility back. For the consumer it means, that the cheapest Tesl…

Moreover, the 3 now costs less to own than Accords or Camry's, about the same as a Corolla. 1,000,000 of those 3 (combined) were sold in 2018.

That's huge.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by xienze » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 10:56 PM UTC

npunt wrote: post #28

VikingCoder wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Page says $26,950 for Standard Range for me, with an * * Prices above include potential incentives and gas savings. Learn More Weird.

They've been doing that for a long time, trying to explain in TCO terms instead of sticker price. It can be somewhat misleading at times but I get the rationale.

>It can be somewhat misleading at times but I get the rationale.

“Somewhat misleading”? Acting as though money saved on gas reduces your purchase price somehow is just straight up lying. The car still costs $35k when you sign on the dotted line, gas costs don’t factor into that at all. If you want to talk how much it’ll cost you after n years of ownership, talking about gas costs is perfectly valid. Purchase price though?

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by TheSmiddy » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 10:56 PM UTC

_s wrote: post #46

paxys wrote: post #7

It's so shady that their advertised price includes some hypothetical "potential gas savings", and the actual price is behind a tiny "learn more" link.

Absolutely - I made a comment a few years ago around the Model S pricing when they compared it to a E or S class Mercedes. The base price of a given vehicle is $35k, and then I'd spend either $1500/yr on fuel and maintenance o, or $500/yr on fuel and maintenance if it's - for example - electric, on top the of the base price. Spending $1000 less per year does not magically mean the car is now $34k. If anything, the pr…

buying a $35,000 Tesla has the equivalent cost of ownership of buying a $26,950 ICE car. It's not a massive amount of mental gymnastics.

I definitely don't agree with Teslas practices of framing it that way, I'd rather they just show cost of ownership comparisons across a variety of cars. Especially since they can't even meet the demand they currently have, why resort to shady practices?

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by veb » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 10:56 PM UTC

sctb wrote: post #58

seltzered_ wrote: post #19

blog post: https://www.tesla.com/blog/35000-tesla-model-3-available-now The interesting part is "Shifting all sales online, combined with other ongoing cost efficiencies, will enable us to lower all vehicle prices by about 6% on average, allowing us to achieve the $35,000 Model 3 price point earlier than we expected. Over the next few months, we will be winding down many of our stores, with a small number of stores i…

Thanks! We've updated the link from https://3.tesla.com/model3/design#battery .

I was wondering what on earth all the top commenters were talking about! Thanks.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by scarmig » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 10:56 PM UTC

martin_bech wrote: post #39

paxys wrote: post #7

It's so shady that their advertised price includes some hypothetical "potential gas savings", and the actual price is behind a tiny "learn more" link.

Its shady, but its not hypothetical, having owned a Model S for 4 years, I’ve saved a ton on fuel.

By that standard, they should also incorporate an amortized cost of battery replacement in the price.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by natch » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 10:57 PM UTC

microcolonel wrote: post #64

Is there an option which gives you good panel fitment and unharmed paint upon delivery?

Those were problems with some early deliveries. Things have improved a lot over time.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by PinguTS » Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 10:57 PM UTC

lol768 wrote: post #45

PinguTS wrote: post #24

Here in Germany I just see a black page with the logo and the text: "The wait is almost over - Great things are launching shortly"

In the UK at least, there's a GeoIP lookup that gets done and you get bounced off elsewhere if it doesn't think you're in the US. https://3.tesla.com/model3/design?redirect=no works for me to prevent this behaviour.

Thanks. That works for me too.