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A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Re: A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Post by CydeWeys »

agent008t wrote: post #43
lucideer wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are so many commenters here repeating this mantra "just build higher, just build denser", with seemingly no grip of facts about property in Dublin. There's no restrictions on height nor density in the Docklands area of Dublin: an area within walking distance of the centre of the city, and with a good regular tram link, that is mostly vacant. Similarly, many areas on major tram routes are not so restricted, such…

Why would the property owners rather have the units sit empty than rent them out at market rates?

A lot of vacancy is simply that the unit hasn't been rented out yet, or is being renovated, or you're planning on selling it in the near future and you'd rather eat a few months of lost rent vs signing a minimum year-long lease which would hamper your future plans. A 3% vacancy rate is quite low.

Re: A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Post by CydeWeys »

Animats wrote: post #20
Macha wrote: post #2

Dublin has been having a bit of a boom (of which tech is a major driver) in the last decade, but this just feels like another symptom of the city which is not allowed to build denser or to sprawl with the result being anything less profitable in terms of land value is getting pushed out of the city (including many families who have lived their behind) while rents reach some of the highest levels in Europe

The kind of low-end large space nightlife the author wants requires an abandoned warehouse district. SF SOMA used to be like that. Either a more productive use for the land is found, as in SF, or everybody young leaves, as in Detroit or the Cleveland Flats. Dublin isn't cramped by geography. Five miles west of downtown is farmland.

Yeah. Those kinds of venues are going strong here in Williamsburg and Bushwick, in the numerous formerly industrial areas that are being re-colonized. And given the sheer noise and foot traffic of those venues, being out of the way is a good thing.

Re: A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Post by CPLX »

dgellow wrote: post #27
jhbadger wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's really a good point. The whole reason city living became popular again is that the supposed "utopia" of suburbia was really boring.

At what point was city life not popular?

1977 comes to mind: https://youtu.be/bnVH-BE9CUo

Re: A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Post by everyone »

agent008t wrote: post #43
lucideer wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are so many commenters here repeating this mantra "just build higher, just build denser", with seemingly no grip of facts about property in Dublin. There's no restrictions on height nor density in the Docklands area of Dublin: an area within walking distance of the centre of the city, and with a good regular tram link, that is mostly vacant. Similarly, many areas on major tram routes are not so restricted, such…

Why would the property owners rather have the units sit empty than rent them out at market rates?

I know for a fact that Dublin in particular has been plagued by 'land barons' They buy as much land and property as possible in Dublin city, and then just leave it sit there. This lowers the supply of space in the city thus increasing the value of all their land, which enables them to get loans to buy even more land.

I know a councillor who worked on a report which predicted, in the 70's, that because of Irish property laws it was possible that this could be happen, and the laws should be reformed. The laws were never reformed and it happened.

https://issuu.com/conormccabe/docs/1974kennyreport

Re: A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Post by anjc »

q3k wrote: post #72
JansjoFromIkea wrote: post #52

The reason I didn't even consider Dublin over London or another major European had little to do with the rent prices as it had to do public transportation. Being dependent on mainly in Dublin means you'll likely want to restrict yourself to areas which can get you to your workplace with zero connections (and everyone else who works in your general area will probably feel the same). Being an especially wet country (no…

I've lived in Dublin for two and a half years years. I like to tell about its public transport to people who complain they have it bad in their city (not that it's an excuse, it's just extremely entertaining to see their reaction): - There's one suburban train service (DART) that kinda goes through the centre and then just takes you to suburbs. It's like an S-Bahn except it doesn't stop anywhere useful in the city it…

> There's buses. They're ugly, loud and extremely uncomfortable

Ireland didn't invent these buses just to annoy you, the Volvo buses used in Dublin are used worldwide, including London and Berlin. They're as modern as you can get.

Re: A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Post by maxxxxx »

agent008t wrote: post #57
dubliner9039 wrote: post #47

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It's a very typical pattern in speculative finance

It kind of makes sense if the apartment is more valuable as new than as having been rented out before. But I do not think that is the case in Dublin. Even if the apartment prices are rising rapidly and you plan to sell the apartment once the price goes up - why not also collect rental yield while you are waiting?

Renting out something is a lot of work managing things. Much easier to keep it empty.

Re: A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Post by q3k »

anjc wrote: post #86
q3k wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've lived in Dublin for two and a half years years. I like to tell about its public transport to people who complain they have it bad in their city (not that it's an excuse, it's just extremely entertaining to see their reaction): - There's one suburban train service (DART) that kinda goes through the centre and then just takes you to suburbs. It's like an S-Bahn except it doesn't stop anywhere useful in the city it…

> There's buses. They're ugly, loud and extremely uncomfortable Ireland didn't invent these buses just to annoy you, the Volvo buses used in Dublin are used worldwide, including London and Berlin. They're as modern as you can get.

They look good from the outside. It's when you actually want to use one that things go downhill:

- Extremely rattly and loud. No idea why, but I assume it's because of the extra resonance created by the double-decker design. Any time the engine is idling, you're shaking with it, and you're likely to get a headache in the long term. Don't even get me started about how it leans and kips hitting tree branches on tight corners in Sandymount. I don't generally get nauseous in public transport, but Dublin buses would without fail get me extremely dizzy.

- Terrible seat design and spacing. I'm not a tall person, but there's some rows where I can barely fit my legs. Not to mention the seats tend to bend back with use, giving the person behind you even less space.

- Dirty. I haven't ever seen a single bus without an empty can, bottle, or other packaging. Spilled liquids are common, too. But that's a general Dublin problem - for some reason it's one of the nastiest cities I've seen, people just don't seem to care for it at all.

Just to be clear - I'm not comparing this against an imaginary Perfect Bus. I'm comparing this against existing bus systems I've used and loved (Warsaw, Munich, Berlin, ...).

Re: A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Post by lucideer »

iguy wrote: post #79
throwaway32111 wrote: post #74

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> There's no restrictions on height nor density in the Docklands area of Dublin That's a tiny area compared to the demand for housing. > your denser/higher suggestion is being done and is having no affect Nonsense. Dublin has a very low density compared to any other European city. It's almost rural. > Dublin has an estimated 40000 vacant residential units ...which is clearly not enough to lower rents given the 134735…

If 40000 is accurate, that's a vacancy rate of 3%. Which sounds pretty low to me. That's one month every 3 years.

Not sure what metric you're using to come up with 3%? Vacancy rate in the state is 12%, or 9% excluding holiday homes (not sure what the figures are for Dublin, but they're way above 3%).

Re: A sold-out city? The fight to save Dublin’s nightlife

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Post by xkcd-sucks »

hydrox24 wrote: post #28

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Your comment highlighted the similarity between religion moving into new places and crossover [fan]fiction. It's neat how things develop
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