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Nginx Is Giving Away a Free O'Reilly Book on Cloud Native Devops with Kubernetes

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Re: Nginx Is Giving Away a Free O'Reilly Book on Cloud Native Devops with Kubernetes

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Post by dwild »

chme wrote: post #57
nodesocket wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really, you are getting something of great value for free in return for your e-mail, and feel obligated to try and contort and "screw" them? This is the exact sort of mentality that frustrates me as an entrepreneur. If you don't like the terms, then simply hit back. You're not entitled to anything. end of rant

Well the value of personal contact data can everyone decide on their own, but personally I would not rate that as free. If you think your contact data (personal email and phone number) has no value, please share them here. You will probably get great value from it!

His email is available on his profile, so he essentially already shared it for free...

I agree that it's not exactly free because it has a value, just like your comment right now has one. However it doesn't represent a monetary loss from you (just like your comment right now), which I believe is what he meant by free.

If you believe your personnal email and phone number has a value higher than this ebook, than yeah, don't exchange them, that would be absurd.

Re: Nginx Is Giving Away a Free O'Reilly Book on Cloud Native Devops with Kubernetes

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Post by collyw »

pferde wrote: post #49
collyw wrote: post #38

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Really? I like ebooks for novel style format, but for technical books - where I don't necessarily them read in a linear manner - I find them way worse to browse.

Likewise. Physical books simply lack the Ctrl+F key combo.

Ctrl + F feels like going to the index and looking something up. In that case its faster with an ebook.

However scrolling through / flipping through pages to find something feels much more effective with a real book.

Re: Nginx Is Giving Away a Free O'Reilly Book on Cloud Native Devops with Kubernetes

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Post by potta_coffee »

gerbilly wrote: post #74
pm90 wrote: post #27

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Kubernetes is hard because its trying to solve a hard problem. Agreed that cluster management itself is hard but GKE has been somewhat nicer to use. If you can convince your organization to use GKE (Google Kubernetes Engine), your life will become simpler. Power of Kubernetes with none (almost!) of the pain.

> Kubernetes is hard because its trying to solve a hard problem. Yeah, and for most of us it's a problem we don't actually have. Use of these technologies seems aspirational to me. It's a kind of cargo-culting: as if using the methods of the software giants, will make your company into a software giant.

That's the problem I have with it. I'm supposed to fight with all this extra infrastructure and configuration...to deploy a standard php web app with 600 users.

Re: Nginx Is Giving Away a Free O'Reilly Book on Cloud Native Devops with Kubernetes

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Post by wadkar »

nodesocket wrote: post #54
cgrs wrote: post #40

I used a disposable email service to receive the ebook. This is the permalink to the attached ebook: https://rainmail.xyz/attachments/nginx@filerpost.xyz/143/Clo...

Really, you are getting something of great value for free in return for your e-mail, and feel obligated to try and contort and "screw" them? This is the exact sort of mentality that frustrates me as an entrepreneur. If you don't like the terms, then simply hit back. You're not entitled to anything. end of rant

> Really, you are getting something of great value for free in return for your e-mail

No, I am not getting it as “free”. That’s misleading at best and I personally think it’s disingenuous. We need to call out the cost of personally identifiable information.

Instead of getting frustrated, say you’re giving the information (book in this case) for the cost of being able to hold your personally identifiable email address for X period of time for Y purpose.

It’s not “free”, let your audience know and advertise it so.

Re: Nginx Is Giving Away a Free O'Reilly Book on Cloud Native Devops with Kubernetes

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Post by chme »

dwild wrote: post #81
chme wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well the value of personal contact data can everyone decide on their own, but personally I would not rate that as free. If you think your contact data (personal email and phone number) has no value, please share them here. You will probably get great value from it!

His email is available on his profile, so he essentially already shared it for free... I agree that it's not exactly free because it has a value, just like your comment right now has one. However it doesn't represent a monetary loss from you (just like your comment right now), which I believe is what he meant by free. If you believe your personnal email and phone number has a value higher than this ebook, than yeah,…

Well he put his email in a not so easily readable format in there, so someone has to take effort and invest time to generate a correct email address from it. With this time investment getting to the email address costs money. So not for free ;)

But of course now we are definitely nitpicking on a philosophical level.

My point basically if someone says something is free, but requests your personal data in return, then that is not free.

Re: Nginx Is Giving Away a Free O'Reilly Book on Cloud Native Devops with Kubernetes

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Post by peterwwillis »

potta_coffee wrote: post #83
gerbilly wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Kubernetes is hard because its trying to solve a hard problem. Yeah, and for most of us it's a problem we don't actually have. Use of these technologies seems aspirational to me. It's a kind of cargo-culting: as if using the methods of the software giants, will make your company into a software giant.

That's the problem I have with it. I'm supposed to fight with all this extra infrastructure and configuration...to deploy a standard php web app with 600 users.

If you have very simple use cases, you definitely do not need an orchestrator, or a cluster. The hype is too loud and pretends to be good for everyone when it's clearly not.

I want to coin a new term "SimpleOps": operations infrastructure which does not include complex components such as cluster orchestrators, service meshes, secret management, IAM, policy enforcement, telemetry processing engines, app tracing, and so on. If your app is simple, only use simple components and managed services.

You can still have DevOps best practices with very simple components, and it'll be easier to reason about, build, and run.

Re: Nginx Is Giving Away a Free O'Reilly Book on Cloud Native Devops with Kubernetes

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Post by auslander »

a_imho wrote: post #39
auslander wrote: post #16

Kubernetes is an overkill for 90% of systems. The hype will die off eventually, but not before ruining fair number of projects. Death by overengineering. I wonder how things even worked before containers :)

What are some example where you think Kubernetes is the right choice?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18953647

Re: Nginx Is Giving Away a Free O'Reilly Book on Cloud Native Devops with Kubernetes

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Post by m-p-3 »

deadalus wrote: post #53
raincom wrote: post #42

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Access denied!!

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmYseupfjUd2fCxdikbo1CuAUvbg3oqbxAD3awj...

Upvote for IPFS. Pinned the resource on my node to spread out the load, thanks!

Re: Nginx Is Giving Away a Free O'Reilly Book on Cloud Native Devops with Kubernetes

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Post by potta_coffee »

peterwwillis wrote: post #87
potta_coffee wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the problem I have with it. I'm supposed to fight with all this extra infrastructure and configuration...to deploy a standard php web app with 600 users.

If you have very simple use cases, you definitely do not need an orchestrator, or a cluster. The hype is too loud and pretends to be good for everyone when it's clearly not. I want to coin a new term "SimpleOps": operations infrastructure which does not include complex components such as cluster orchestrators, service meshes, secret management, IAM, policy enforcement, telemetry processing engines, app tracing, and s…

I would like to, but I don't really have a choice atm. Thanks for the advice though, I feel like it doesn't need to be super complex to do what we're doing.
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