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Re: First .dev Domains Go Live

#81

Post by baud147258 »

ianai wrote: post #52
stanleydrew wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your proposed alternative? That generic category names should be disallowed within a TLD? Or that some public or community-driven version of a for-profit service should control the generic names?

Probably the former as it doesn’t require as much aggrandizement. I wonder whether a different approach would work. Instead of basing TLD name spacing on nebulous terms (com,net,org,io,edu,etc) create a naming system that better reflects the real world. The abstracted terms lead to clashing. So addressing actually reflects physical addressing. There’s only ever going to be one company at Apple’s corporate address. No…

So there would an .apple tld, with address like dev.apple, buy.apple and so on?

Re: First .dev Domains Go Live

#82

Post by zavi »

marksomnian wrote: post #13

There is one thing that annoys me about generic TLDs like .dev, .website, .cloud, .network etc. For example, Salesforce have https://crm.dev - are they the only CRM in the world? Hell no, but they're the biggest, so they can be the only one in the .dev space. Same with workers.dev.

You can buy it from Salesforce if you like it.

Re: First .dev Domains Go Live

#83

Post by CydeWeys »

judge2020 wrote: post #75
jlarocco wrote: post #36

I'm not familiar with all of the details of how domain registration works, but will these always have to go through Google? I'm interested in buying one, but not from them.

Many other registrars, like Namecheap, Gandi, etc. also can register .dev

The full list of participating registrars is here: https://www.registry.google/register-a-domain/#!/

Re: First .dev Domains Go Live

#84

Post by [deleted] »

kickopotomus wrote: post #73
CydeWeys wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Minor correction, registrations are never free. Come 2019-02-28 16:00:00Z, they will be available at the base price. Registrars set their own prices, so depending on which registrar you're using, expect that to be around $12-20/yr (including the initial year).

Do you happen to have a source for the 16:00 UTC base price switch? I am not seeing a specific time on any of the linked pages.

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Re: First .dev Domains Go Live

#85

Post by CydeWeys »

baud147258 wrote: post #81
ianai wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably the former as it doesn’t require as much aggrandizement. I wonder whether a different approach would work. Instead of basing TLD name spacing on nebulous terms (com,net,org,io,edu,etc) create a naming system that better reflects the real world. The abstracted terms lead to clashing. So addressing actually reflects physical addressing. There’s only ever going to be one company at Apple’s corporate address. No…

So there would an .apple tld, with address like dev.apple, buy.apple and so on?

Indeed there is a .apple TLD: https://icannwiki.org/.apple

I haven't seen any uses of it in the wild though.

Re: First .dev Domains Go Live

#86

Post by icebraining »

ianai wrote: post #52
stanleydrew wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your proposed alternative? That generic category names should be disallowed within a TLD? Or that some public or community-driven version of a for-profit service should control the generic names?

Probably the former as it doesn’t require as much aggrandizement. I wonder whether a different approach would work. Instead of basing TLD name spacing on nebulous terms (com,net,org,io,edu,etc) create a naming system that better reflects the real world. The abstracted terms lead to clashing. So addressing actually reflects physical addressing. There’s only ever going to be one company at Apple’s corporate address. No…

The irrelevance of physical location is one of the advantages of the Internet; adding that to addresses just to provide an unique key seems absurd. Would a company have to change all their addresses if they move their headquarters? What if the country's street system changes? And what about individuals?

I don't see a need to change the current system, but I'd rather move to random strings than tying them to some irrelevant and mutable piece of data.

Re: First .dev Domains Go Live

#87

Post by derefr »

stanleydrew wrote: post #22
marksomnian wrote: post #13

There is one thing that annoys me about generic TLDs like .dev, .website, .cloud, .network etc. For example, Salesforce have https://crm.dev - are they the only CRM in the world? Hell no, but they're the biggest, so they can be the only one in the .dev space. Same with workers.dev.

What's your proposed alternative? That generic category names should be disallowed within a TLD? Or that some public or community-driven version of a for-profit service should control the generic names?

Maybe names that have obvious “generic” squatter value—i.e. names that (at the time of their attempted purchase) describe entire verticals, rather than uniquely identifying a business—should be put up for auction rather than being first-come-first-served.

(That would also include names that describe a vertical that someone tried to trademark into being the name of a business anyway: pets.com and the like. If that trademark isn’t already well known, then this is just an attempt to end-run the auction system, rather than a valid claim.)

Given that TLDs can decide their own allocation policies, I’m surprised none of them have tried this yet.

Re: First .dev Domains Go Live

#88

Post by qnk »

mslev wrote: post #38

Me: "Wow [myfirstname].dev is available! I gotta get it!" Aaaaaaand its $11,500.

Mine is not available either and I doubt someone paid $11,500 for an Italian name with the dev extension. How come? My guess is some providers are "reserving" them.

Re: First .dev Domains Go Live

#89

Post by TheDong »

ianai wrote: post #52
stanleydrew wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your proposed alternative? That generic category names should be disallowed within a TLD? Or that some public or community-driven version of a for-profit service should control the generic names?

Probably the former as it doesn’t require as much aggrandizement. I wonder whether a different approach would work. Instead of basing TLD name spacing on nebulous terms (com,net,org,io,edu,etc) create a naming system that better reflects the real world. The abstracted terms lead to clashing. So addressing actually reflects physical addressing. There’s only ever going to be one company at Apple’s corporate address. No…

We could just give everyone who wants a domain a UUID.

My site could be 'uuid://09953e01-8164-4e40-8504-ed5507b50b03'.

This seems to solve all of your complaints. No clashing, reflects the real world (names are all meaningless is reality, and physical locations are nebulous).

> There’s only ever going to be one company at Apple’s corporate address.

On the other hand, there are corporate addresses that have many companies, and many domains, and many distinct technical departments with different needs.

What you're missing here is that domain names are meant to be easy to remember. That is their only goal.

They were created so people didn't have to memorize ipv4 addresses. Proposing that we use corporate addresses or gps coordinates is absolutely unrealistic and against the spirit of the domain name system in the first place.

Re: First .dev Domains Go Live

#90

Post by Klathmon »

derefr wrote: post #87
stanleydrew wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your proposed alternative? That generic category names should be disallowed within a TLD? Or that some public or community-driven version of a for-profit service should control the generic names?

Maybe names that have obvious “generic” squatter value—i.e. names that (at the time of their attempted purchase) describe entire verticals, rather than uniquely identifying a business—should be put up for auction rather than being first-come-first-served. (That would also include names that describe a vertical that someone tried to trademark into being the name of a business anyway: pets.com and the like. If that tra…

Well the .dev domains are going up in a "dutch auction" style.

The price starts off at an insane $11,500 per domain, and then slowly over the course of 2 weeks goes down to $12 per domain, first come first serve.

It's a pretty good solution in my opinion to the problem of how to "fairly" distribute domain names.

I want to pick up a few, but I'm going to wait until they are down to the lowest tier as i'm pretty sure nobody is going to pay even $100 for them. And if they do, well then they probably want it more than I do!

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