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Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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post #77

Fb is only "shutting down" it's iOS Spyware due to "bad press" not due to a sudden realisation that spying on children who are incapable of understanding the long-term consequences of the privacy invasion is fundamentally wrong/evil. Fb only stop doing things that are obviously morally reprehensible when they get caught or called out in the media. They never proactively doing the right thing. :-(

I would love to be a fly-on-the-wall at some of their meetings when someone says “So we are going to do data collection on minors without parental consent now” and all the developers just say “great I’ll code that up straight away”. Like is there no dissent at all? Is there no one at all who says “guys this is not OK”?

For many devs it is still a dream to work in SV, regardless of the company. They'll do whatever they're asked to as long as they keep living there.

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

#82
post #77

Fb is only "shutting down" it's iOS Spyware due to "bad press" not due to a sudden realisation that spying on children who are incapable of understanding the long-term consequences of the privacy invasion is fundamentally wrong/evil. Fb only stop doing things that are obviously morally reprehensible when they get caught or called out in the media. They never proactively doing the right thing. :-(

I would love to be a fly-on-the-wall at some of their meetings when someone says “So we are going to do data collection on minors without parental consent now” and all the developers just say “great I’ll code that up straight away”. Like is there no dissent at all? Is there no one at all who says “guys this is not OK”?

I mean, according to the original article from techcrunch pointing out this issue there was a consent form minors had to get signed.

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

#83
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love to be a fly-on-the-wall at some of their meetings when someone says “So we are going to do data collection on minors without parental consent now” and all the developers just say “great I’ll code that up straight away”. Like is there no dissent at all? Is there no one at all who says “guys this is not OK”?

I mean, according to the original article from techcrunch pointing out this issue there was a consent form minors had to get signed.

The BBC are reporting they signed up as a 14-year-old and there is no parental consent sought

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

#84

So. Onavo was taken down and repackaged as Facebook Research. And now that has been taken down too. Wonder what it will reappear as next?

Facebook NotSpywareWePromise

no that's the name of their flagship app...

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

#86
post #77

Fb is only "shutting down" it's iOS Spyware due to "bad press" not due to a sudden realisation that spying on children who are incapable of understanding the long-term consequences of the privacy invasion is fundamentally wrong/evil. Fb only stop doing things that are obviously morally reprehensible when they get caught or called out in the media. They never proactively doing the right thing. :-(

I would love to be a fly-on-the-wall at some of their meetings when someone says “So we are going to do data collection on minors without parental consent now” and all the developers just say “great I’ll code that up straight away”. Like is there no dissent at all? Is there no one at all who says “guys this is not OK”?

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Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

#87

What a bullsh*t. People got some money for giving up some privacy. Nobody was forced to do this. And now everybody is freaking about a fairly reasonable trade. What's next? People will start harassing students/researchers that do paid studies?

I think you might underestimate how seriously universities take research ethics, these days. Ever since the late 1970s or so. I doubt Facebook’s actions would have gotten past a typical university ethics board, which would be required before the study could proceed.

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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post #41

As context the HN submission of the techcrunch article, for those who missed it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19031055 . Strangely just vanished from the top position.

The standard here is one submission per news story on the front page. We've included this link at the top, thanks!

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

#89
post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, according to the original article from techcrunch pointing out this issue there was a consent form minors had to get signed.

The BBC are reporting they signed up as a 14-year-old and there is no parental consent sought

fair enough.

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

#90
post #77

Fb is only "shutting down" it's iOS Spyware due to "bad press" not due to a sudden realisation that spying on children who are incapable of understanding the long-term consequences of the privacy invasion is fundamentally wrong/evil. Fb only stop doing things that are obviously morally reprehensible when they get caught or called out in the media. They never proactively doing the right thing. :-(

I would love to be a fly-on-the-wall at some of their meetings when someone says “So we are going to do data collection on minors without parental consent now” and all the developers just say “great I’ll code that up straight away”. Like is there no dissent at all? Is there no one at all who says “guys this is not OK”?

Try reading "Chaos Monkeys" for some insight.
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