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Re: Israel airport security stole my laptop

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Curbside security guard asked a couple basic questions ("How long were you in Israel? Where are you traveling to?"). The guard at the first security gate inside asked ~20 questions (4-8 is normal). I think answering that I'm a SW engineer to "What do you do for a living?" made her suspicious. I was then directed to a side security area where they searched my bags and discovered my laptop. A few guards then escorted m…

What you experienced is not rare at all for travel through Israel. Answering that you're a SW engineer is not suspicious, it's how you answer that they're trained to look at. The questions are basically irrelevant. You and your equipment got flagged. Once when I was boarding a plane to fly into TLV from Athens, I got about 200 questions in the space of 5 minutes, from 3 different people. When I mentioned who I used t…

It's also possible that Israel took the laptop because they knew where this person worked as a software engineer. Since processes like these enjoy opacity the outside is left to speculate.

Re: Israel airport security stole my laptop

#82

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Curbside questions? I haven't been for a few years but don't remember any of those, just the usual "I'm asking you this because I think someone may have planted a bomb in your luggage" inside the terminal. I haven't had anything approaching that level of interrogation (can you show me any evidence of what you've been working on) since my first trip in 2010 -- which was before my first Erez stamp (that's the border po…

Taxi. I've traveled to Israel a few times now and the extra questioning seems standard.

Have you traveled to other Middle East countries previously?

Re: Israel airport security stole my laptop

#83

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I am sorry for what happened to you. I really am. I heard before that Israeli security can be scary if they sense you went to either Palestinian areas or some of their flags get triggered. But no excuse for them to do what they do. I hope you raising this issue help you get your laptop back. I personally worry that they might take my laptop from me and install some spyware, so I try not to carry one, or if I do, trav…

Thank you. It was an unfortunate learning lesson. Even if I do get my laptop back it won't be usable -- I have to assume they've gone through it and tampered somehow.

I know, you always think it is something it happens to other people. Chromebook FTW

Re: Israel airport security stole my laptop

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post #71

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>I was boarding a plane to fly into TLV from Athens I think you mean the other way around. If you are being asked all these questions the flight was from TLV to Athens. Right?

Israel has people on the ground around the world. Hard learned lesson after too many hijacked planes.

See for example the "Hindawi affair"

https://www.asi-mag.com/ann-marie-murphy-hindawi-affair-30th...

Re: Israel airport security stole my laptop

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If you're taken away for too long, you may miss your flight. I'd hope that the airline would put you on the next one, despite them not having to do so.

What does that have to do with this situation?

It would be an airline providing what help they can for a situation that wasn't the passenger's fault

Re: Israel airport security stole my laptop

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post #71

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Israel has people on the ground around the world. Hard learned lesson after too many hijacked planes.

See for example the "Hindawi affair" https://www.asi-mag.com/ann-marie-murphy-hindawi-affair-30th...

Also check out the dancing israelis celebrating after 9/11 http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/the-dancing-israelis/

Re: Israel airport security stole my laptop

#87

Curbside security guard asked a couple basic questions ("How long were you in Israel? Where are you traveling to?"). The guard at the first security gate inside asked ~20 questions (4-8 is normal). I think answering that I'm a SW engineer to "What do you do for a living?" made her suspicious. I was then directed to a side security area where they searched my bags and discovered my laptop. A few guards then escorted m…

What is your goal in this publicity? On the surface, it seems like yet another dispute with unreasonable customer service and you are using the shame tactic to get your way. This is airport security in Israel. It's not security theater. It's the real deal. There is something in this story that is missing. You may not know what it is, but those people are really good at their jobs. Was that really your laptop? Were al…

> There is something in this story that is missing. You may not know what it is

Completely agree here. Millions pass through TLV every year and don't have their laptops confiscated, something twigged their interest.

The question is why he was able to carry on flying

Re: Israel airport security stole my laptop

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What is your goal in this publicity? On the surface, it seems like yet another dispute with unreasonable customer service and you are using the shame tactic to get your way. This is airport security in Israel. It's not security theater. It's the real deal. There is something in this story that is missing. You may not know what it is, but those people are really good at their jobs. Was that really your laptop? Were al…

if getting shaken down is part of the risk of flying through israel then it’s a public good to let others to know. this reflexive defensive crap is par for the course i suppose.

And in the U.S.

> A few months earlier in the same airport, a tech engineer returning from a business trip to London objected when a federal agent asked him to type his password into his laptop computer. "This laptop doesn't belong to me," he remembers protesting. "It belongs to my company." Eventually, he agreed to log on and stood by as the officer copied the Web sites he had visited, said the engineer, a U.S. citizen who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of calling attention to himself.

https://boingboing.net/2008/02/07/tsa-confiscating-lap.html

Except in Israel the threat is real, and the security guards are actually competent

Re: Israel airport security stole my laptop

#89
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Breaking into a hotel room and installing a rootkit on a laptop does not require anywhere near that level of sophistication. In many cases, obtaining a hotel room key requires only entry-level social engineering. How do I know? I've received keys for my own hotel rooms from the front desk with essentially no verification. Adding a rootkit to a laptop depends on how well-secured it is, but that's often little more eff…

Breaking into a hotel room, and breaking into a hotel room without sufficient surveillance resources are two different things... Just off the top of my head, I can think of a few concerns. You'd need a rotating team of at least three persons to verify that the subject has left the hotel room, and isn't going somewhere for a very short time such as to the hotel laundry room, to a lobby snack bar, or such. You don't wa…

You're describing the sort of operation a nation-state's intelligence services would plan, and I'm describing the sort of thing anyone from a crazy ex-lover to an unethical competitor might do.

Your scenario is obviously more likely to succeed and less likely to be detected, but mine works more often than not. Being sure I have not done anything to attract the attention of an intelligence agency is not sufficient to be sure nobody has gained physical access to my laptop and installed malware.

Re: Israel airport security stole my laptop

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Thank you. It was an unfortunate learning lesson. Even if I do get my laptop back it won't be usable -- I have to assume they've gone through it and tampered somehow.

I know, you always think it is something it happens to other people. Chromebook FTW

Chromebooks won't work in China, where the Great Firewall blocks most Western cloud services.
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