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Cleaning New York's harbor with one billion oysters

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Re: Cleaning New York's harbor with one billion oysters

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

nextweek2 wrote: post #58
fafl wrote: post #42

Wouldn't this invite some kind of oyster-predator or oyster-disease? Biodiversity would be more sustainable ...

This is alluded to in the article, they want wild oysters to join the population. Most likely to increase genetic diversity. I would imagine this is a good start, people can identify with oysters and they can then start to use funding to diversify the biosphere down the line.

> they want wild oysters to join the population.

I assumed that these oysters were grown by locating a rare wild oyster, or two, and having them spawn in captivity, producing huge numbers of offspring in a generation or two.

So they would be "wild oysters" genetically speaking. Although less genetically diverse than the whole wild population.

Re: Cleaning New York's harbor with one billion oysters

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Post by dtech »

adventured wrote: post #34
dtech wrote: post #31

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It still lost income. That money could have gone to New York, or another city, or another country. Instead it remains with Amazon.

That's only true if somebody else wasn't going to give them a big deal. Your premise requires a scenario where all cities work together to specifically avoid Amazon getting a deal, rather than any of them competing. All it takes is one city to breach that and start offering incentives, then it all folds. Short of implementing a federal law against it, there is no scenario where cities were not going to compete to lur…

It's bad for the cities as a whole because it's a zero sum game, if you attract a company with tax cuts that's a loss on some other city

The EU does this better. EU courts can deem a tax break state aid and require the company to pay back taxes. This disincentives states competing against each other on tax revenue.

Re: Cleaning New York's harbor with one billion oysters

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Post by literallee »

someguydave wrote: post #79
ericdykstra wrote: post #16

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Sometimes I think our only options going forward are a world where all natural habitat has been completely decimated, or an eco-fascist regime enforces pollution (and thus effectively population) control on the whole planet.

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Oh, pish posh. You’re just promulgating some agitprop created to besmirch the reputation of environmentalism, so that polluters fishing for an excuse can find a way to connect the dots and Godwin an ecological conversation.

Re: Cleaning New York's harbor with one billion oysters

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Post by tqi »

AshleyGrant wrote: post #74
jerf wrote: post #67

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"I think op means we should have zero enemies in fixing our environment." You do. Everybody wants clean air, clean water, etc. The Captain-Planet-Villain model of somebody literally cackling about how much pollution they're going to release into the world today is nonsense. The problem is people who see a short-term gain of their own, standing against the environmental problems they cause. They may not even believe t…

> The Captain-Planet-Villain model of somebody literally cackling about how much pollution they're going to release into the world today is nonsense. And yet we have idiots in diesel trucks modded to "roll coal" cackling as they "own the libs" when they spew out soot.

Have you or anyone you know actually seen someone rolling coal?

Re: Cleaning New York's harbor with one billion oysters

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Post by aaaaaaass »

literallee wrote: post #83
someguydave wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Oh, pish posh. You’re just promulgating some agitprop created to besmirch the reputation of environmentalism, so that polluters fishing for an excuse can find a way to connect the dots and Godwin an ecological conversation.

pretentious words...

Re: Cleaning New York's harbor with one billion oysters

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Post by pstuart »

jerf wrote: post #67
faitswulff wrote: post #43

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I think op means we should have zero enemies in fixing our environment. If we were truly all on the same page and freaking out, taking meaningful action would be a lot easier.

"I think op means we should have zero enemies in fixing our environment." You do. Everybody wants clean air, clean water, etc. The Captain-Planet-Villain model of somebody literally cackling about how much pollution they're going to release into the world today is nonsense. The problem is people who see a short-term gain of their own, standing against the environmental problems they cause. They may not even believe t…

> You do. Everybody wants clean air, clean water, etc

The current US president* appears to want more coal to be burned and has denied climate change, as well as effected complete regulatory capture of the agency created to protect the environment.

Re: Cleaning New York's harbor with one billion oysters

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Post by raverbashing »

jerf wrote: post #67
faitswulff wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think op means we should have zero enemies in fixing our environment. If we were truly all on the same page and freaking out, taking meaningful action would be a lot easier.

"I think op means we should have zero enemies in fixing our environment." You do. Everybody wants clean air, clean water, etc. The Captain-Planet-Villain model of somebody literally cackling about how much pollution they're going to release into the world today is nonsense. The problem is people who see a short-term gain of their own, standing against the environmental problems they cause. They may not even believe t…

At the same time we have people like Greenpeace who actually contributed with global warming by fighting against nuclear

Re: Cleaning New York's harbor with one billion oysters

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Post by cco »

tqi wrote: post #84
AshleyGrant wrote: post #74

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> The Captain-Planet-Villain model of somebody literally cackling about how much pollution they're going to release into the world today is nonsense. And yet we have idiots in diesel trucks modded to "roll coal" cackling as they "own the libs" when they spew out soot.

Have you or anyone you know actually seen someone rolling coal?

Yes, pretty routine in small town rural Oregon.

Re: Cleaning New York's harbor with one billion oysters

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Post by prepend »

tqi wrote: post #84
AshleyGrant wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Captain-Planet-Villain model of somebody literally cackling about how much pollution they're going to release into the world today is nonsense. And yet we have idiots in diesel trucks modded to "roll coal" cackling as they "own the libs" when they spew out soot.

Have you or anyone you know actually seen someone rolling coal?

I have a close friend who spent a lot of money so they could “roll coal” on people. Only one person, but he talks about it a lot. A lot.

He claims that he likes spewing this out onto people he doesn’t like. He’s never mentioned how awesome it is to pollute or anything. It’s the equivalent of spy hunter smokescreen.

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