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An Apology and an Update

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Re: An Apology and an Update

#81

What changed recently that hadn't been the case for past years that made them add these new measures? A true, earnest apology would at least touch on the justifications for the changes more than just "become legal". But I understand that, sadly, that kind of transparency is a bit much to ask of any company these days. Still curious though if it was just an internal decision or spurred via government/legal threat/requ…

Preparing to IPO would be my guess

Re: An Apology and an Update

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post #51

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>We did not block any user based on their nationality or ethnicity. Okay, so how did you block them? >As is standard in the enterprise software industry, Slack uses location information principally derived from IP addresses to implement these required blocks. So, you blocked users based on their nationality. >We do not collect, use, or possess any information about the nationality or ethnicity of our users. you clear…

No, they blocked users based on location. I'm currently located in California, and this has nothing to do with my nationality.

Expats comprise less than 1% of the global population, and I doubt the number of international tourists at any given time pushes that percentage much higher. Use a VPN I guess, or better yet ditch Slack.

Re: An Apology and an Update

#83
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You can block users now? At megacorp we definitely couldn't, and as much as there were people I wanted to block and mandatory channels I didn't want to be in… all of the frigging the bots were the most unbearable.

Sorry, I was unclear. You can't block people on either the free or paid plans, because you're supposed to ask your HR department to ask people to behave, and if you don't have an HR department you're 100% not their target audience. I've complained about this to Slack multiple times before, see their responses about how as a tool built for work they can't implement a block feature: https://twitter.com/geofft/status/76…

Yeah I've seen that response too. While at megacorp I just stayed off of slack as much as possible.

Re: An Apology and an Update

#84
Does an IPv6 world prevent IP-based location sniffing?

It seems odd to me that IPs can still be used to (semi-)reliably determine a client's geographical location.

With the immensely larger address space that comes with IPv6, does that give the Internet a chance to completely sever the link between geography and IP address? Or do we still have issues with aggregating routes in a space-efficient way?

Re: An Apology and an Update

#85
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying "they should have acted differently to begin with" isn't a valid criticism of an apology, or it would apply to all apologies.

“If you were sorry you wouldn’t have done it to begin with” has also come up on several occasions in my personal life. Haven’t figured out how best to respond to that one.

That's... not how the direction of time works.

By that argument regret seems impossible. Some nuance is probably lost here, to be fair.

Re: An Apology and an Update

#86

Does an IPv6 world prevent IP-based location sniffing? It seems odd to me that IPs can still be used to (semi-)reliably determine a client's geographical location. With the immensely larger address space that comes with IPv6, does that give the Internet a chance to completely sever the link between geography and IP address? Or do we still have issues with aggregating routes in a space-efficient way?

The commercial internet does not want to sever the link. It wants to be able to lock users out in certain ways, have blackout dates, etc.

Re: An Apology and an Update

#87
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying "they should have acted differently to begin with" isn't a valid criticism of an apology, or it would apply to all apologies.

“If you were sorry you wouldn’t have done it to begin with” has also come up on several occasions in my personal life. Haven’t figured out how best to respond to that one.

Victims have the hardest hearts.

Re: An Apology and an Update

#88
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they blocked users based on location. I'm currently located in California, and this has nothing to do with my nationality.

Expats comprise less than 1% of the global population, and I doubt the number of international tourists at any given time pushes that percentage much higher. Use a VPN I guess, or better yet ditch Slack.

Likely a much higher percentage of Slack users though.

Re: An Apology and an Update

#89
This disturbs me.

So Slack is a communications platform.

If we have an embargo against a country, we have to shut off any services we offer to that country? Including communications platforms.

Doesn't seem like that will help improve things in that country, or help the people in that country communicate.

I'm all for not sending a dictatorship steel or guns, but why would we cut off communications platforms? That seems batshit.

Re: An Apology and an Update

#90
> Users who travel to a sanctioned country may not be able to access Slack while they remain in that country. However, we will not deactivate their account and they will be able to access Slack when they return to countries or regions for which no blocking is required.

So why ban any account? Why not just drop connections from IP addresses in embargoed countries?

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