Chinese hi-tech researchers ‘told not to travel to US unless it’s essential’ • Hacker News Board

Re: Chinese hi-tech researchers ‘told not to travel to US unless it’s essential’

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Post by chillacy » Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 9:32 AM UTC

keldaris wrote: post #24

HillaryBriss wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

in the distant past, China's silk industry tried to prevent the knowledge of silk making from spreading outside of China. and China's tea growers tried to prevent the exportation of Chinese tea plants. ultimately, neither of these efforts succeeded. but it is evidence that people and industries in China truly do understand the notion of protecting trade secrets, IP, etc.

Everyone understands those notions when they benefit them and everyone is quick to discard or gloss over them when they don't. It's a simple economic calculation, China just happens to be on the other end of it compared to the rest of the world - namely, the benefits of ignoring these notions outweighs the risks of antagonizing the U.S.

Absolutely, people need to realize that morality usually means absolutely nothing compared to power. Might doesn’t make right but right doesn’t make might either...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik

Re: Chinese hi-tech researchers ‘told not to travel to US unless it’s essential’

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Post by masonic » Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 10:33 AM UTC

trainingaccount wrote: post #42

polartx wrote: post #12

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Ah yes, because Samuel Slater smuggled cotton spinner trade secrets out of England in 1789, China is justified committing IP theft today. Sound logic

We smuggled those silkworms out of China and can make our own silk now!

Those silkworms were slaves, and trafficked.

Re: Chinese hi-tech researchers ‘told not to travel to US unless it’s essential’

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Post by coldtea » Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 12:59 PM UTC

zxcvvcxz wrote: post #36

coldtea wrote: post #30

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The logic is "if you've used it to become the richest nation on earth don't knock out others using it to become rich". And those that still benefit from the heads-tart due to their country/ancestors having done so, shouldn't play it holier than thou either. Not to mention the whole hypocrisy, since the US has used corporate espionage and actual spying on supposed "allies" corporations since forever and still does, pl…

>The logic is "if you've used it to become the richest nation on earth don't knock out others using it to become rich". Cool, so you have no issues with China, India, Africa accelerating their use of fossil fuels.

No, I don't. Especially since those pointing the finger still have the most carbon- and materials-expensive lifestyle, and have refused to sign environmental agreements for decades...

Re: Chinese hi-tech researchers ‘told not to travel to US unless it’s essential’

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Post by DennisP » Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 1:18 PM UTC

zxcvvcxz wrote: post #36

coldtea wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The logic is "if you've used it to become the richest nation on earth don't knock out others using it to become rich". And those that still benefit from the heads-tart due to their country/ancestors having done so, shouldn't play it holier than thou either. Not to mention the whole hypocrisy, since the US has used corporate espionage and actual spying on supposed "allies" corporations since forever and still does, pl…

>The logic is "if you've used it to become the richest nation on earth don't knock out others using it to become rich". Cool, so you have no issues with China, India, Africa accelerating their use of fossil fuels.

At this point, personally, I have issues with anybody using fossil fuels. We do have alternatives now. We can talk social justice and whatnot but it'll ring hollow when civilization is collapsing around our ears, especially since Africa and India will likely suffer before the U.S.

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Post by stevefan1999 » Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 4:30 PM UTC

After Meng's case, I think not only Chinese Hi-Tech company would avoid US, so would Chinese entrepreneurs. I guess one of the side effect would be less VCs in China in 2019 - Until the trade war is sorted out.

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Post by forkandwait » Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 10:27 PM UTC

kickopotomus wrote: post #68

forkandwait wrote: post #64

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A lot of us don't really think intellectual property is actually property and thar the notion of IP is, well, bullshit.

If that is the case, then how do you propose that any private organization (especially small ones) should operate?

A lot of Chinese organizations make stuff and sell that.

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Post by dang » Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 6:01 AM UTC

pytyper2 wrote: post #8

Because they are likely working for institutions that are committing IP theft, in this case it's better to keep them honest, they don't have a culture that respects the rules and customs of other cultures (common law, contract law).

Please keep this their-culture stuff off HN. If it isn't poisonous, it certainly borders on it, and there's no good HN comment that wouldn't be better without it.