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Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by majewsky »

roblabla wrote: post #74
boznz wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The irony is most sites use cookies to click on the "this site uses cookies" and as I block them I get the same message ad-infinitum on every fucking site... and I'm in NZ NOT the EU

How do you propose the website remembers your preference except through the use of a cookie? Cookies are the only way to keep client side state in a cross browser way. Keep in mind, cookies for non tracking purpose are allowed under the cookie law.

They should use localStorage. Unlike cookies, localStorage doesn't get transmitted to the server.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by raverbashing »

Scaevolus wrote: post #24
munchbunny wrote: post #4

I tend to put GDPR and this Copyright bill in different camps. The copyright bill is insane. GDPR is... also a bit insane, but the hard parts shine light on what we probably should have been doing which are now hard to do because we've spent so long ignoring the ethical elephant in the room. GDPR is very far from perfect, but I think it's still directionally good. The copyright bill is just bad.

At least GDPR is intended to help actual people, instead of increasing media-holders' stranglehold over their content.

This

In a way, GDPR goes in the way of common sense, despite the legalese and FUD

Copyright filter is censorship.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by czardoz »

Trombone12 wrote: post #48
czardoz wrote: post #41

With the Great Firewall in China and Regressive laws in the EU, the US feels like the only place where users have the freedom to choose what their internet should be. Unfortunately, they have to deal with clicking on cookie notices, GDPR and now this.

So how are the click troughs on the amp stories doing in the land of the free?

The difference is choice. You can choose not to click. No one's deciding whether something should be clickable for you, which is the point.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by majewsky »

perl4ever wrote: post #71
TheCoelacanth wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For example, do email addresses on the comments on a blog site fall under that protection? That is not unclear at all. They absolutely do. That doesn't mean you can't have them, but it means you need consent, you need to be clear about how you will use them and you need to let people withdraw consent.

You can't win an argument about whether something is unclear by proving (let alone merely asserting) it is so. This is something a lot of people seem unclear on.

Why though? Email addresses are quite obviously "something that identifies a person".

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by raverbashing »

im3w1l wrote: post #59
qwerty456127 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is GDPR a problem at all? Is it so hard to avoid personalized tracking of unregistered users, ask users for their consent at sign-up time and implement a button for them to export and delete their data?

> How is GDPR a problem at all? I'm sure there will be a significant price tag just for training people to be compliant with it.

Here's your one line compliance GDPR course: don't treat customer data like it's something to be sold to anyone that asks for it. PII is not yours.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by IanCal »

WA wrote: post #58
boznz wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The irony is most sites use cookies to click on the "this site uses cookies" and as I block them I get the same message ad-infinitum on every fucking site... and I'm in NZ NOT the EU

Blame the web devs and their bad implementation of it. It’s really not that hard to get right (unless of course you don’t really want to comply).

How is it easy to limit this? It's about how you treat EU citizens, not where people currently are.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by pgeorgi »

beginningguava wrote: post #40
berkmayer wrote: post #28

People underestimate what a big pain in the ass internet has been for the EU bureaucrats in the last 5 years. They can't just remove users freedom in one hit, they need to do it slowly: cookie laws, gdpr, copyright. And of course they always put a little bit of "sense" in every rule. This is a classic tactic that has been used by State organizations for maybe thousands of years. You can find examples in ancient Rome,…

Germany just requested that France give up their UN security council seat so that the EU could have it Remember when the EU was just supposed to be a trade union rather than an organization that can pass laws that effect every person in Europe? https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/11/28/world/germany-u...

> Germany just

"just": "In the past, [Merkel] and Foreign Minister Heiko Maas have both called for individual EU countries’ seats on the UNSC to be “europeanized.”"

> requested

"proposed"

> that France give up their UN security council seat so that the EU could have it

"To lessen the pain of losing the powerful seat, France could become “the permanent EU ambassador to the United Nations,”"

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by raverbashing »

berkmayer wrote: post #28

People underestimate what a big pain in the ass internet has been for the EU bureaucrats in the last 5 years. They can't just remove users freedom in one hit, they need to do it slowly: cookie laws, gdpr, copyright. And of course they always put a little bit of "sense" in every rule. This is a classic tactic that has been used by State organizations for maybe thousands of years. You can find examples in ancient Rome,…

> had a way to get rid of laws made using this tactic, the nations under EU's rule don't

"Under EU rule" the EU is made by its member countries, as opposed to what some people say.

Of course they do. It's an EU directive. Some countries already said they don't intent to move forward with it (Italy and Poland come to mind)

> when it comes to getting rid of EU's rules you need multiple good cycles of elections in numerous nations, then you also need to convince a good amount of bureaucrats, and then you also have to remove the local interpretation of the EU directive

And guess what, this amount of discussion, coming and going is actually helping (people see the BS) in this case.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by raverbashing »

FranzFerdiNaN wrote: post #67
beginningguava wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany just requested that France give up their UN security council seat so that the EU could have it Remember when the EU was just supposed to be a trade union rather than an organization that can pass laws that effect every person in Europe? https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/11/28/world/germany-u...

Remember when the USA was just a colony and not a superpower? Things change.

"It was so much better when the 13 colonies would just pay our taxes and not complain"

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by Loic »

munchbunny wrote: post #4

I tend to put GDPR and this Copyright bill in different camps. The copyright bill is insane. GDPR is... also a bit insane, but the hard parts shine light on what we probably should have been doing which are now hard to do because we've spent so long ignoring the ethical elephant in the room. GDPR is very far from perfect, but I think it's still directionally good. The copyright bill is just bad.

GDPR is very good in fact. If you read through it as a person, it is basically the way we should have operated from the start. Reading it while wearing the hat of my role in my company, I can see all the points where we are collecting data without a well defined process and clear understanding from the end users. It is hard to fix this, but it is for my own good as a person.
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