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The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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I think that a lot of Google and Facebook’s creepyness would go away if they’d just voluntarily respect the Do Not Track header. There’s no techical reason why don’t, just business ethics. That header is someone explicitly telling Google “I don’t want you to do this” _before_ collection happens and Google’s response is “we don’t give a shit what you want” and doing it anyway. The current model where you have to regis…

What are BATs? I am not familiar with this acronym.

Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

FB has Activity Log, visible only to you, and shows what you posted, commented, liked, tagged, shared, searched, etc. From there you can manage and delete stuff if you want, by hand.

FB also has shadow profiles of people whom they track even if they're not signed into the FB or even have a FB account. How do you suggest I opt out of that? https://theconversation.com/shadow-profiles-facebook-knows-a...

Good question. Probably you need to send a data request, so they can provide you with info they have about you. But based on what should they search in their data warehouse? IP? Cookies? Interests? Leaked email?

I guess one way to avoid shadow profiles would be to block FB scripts/cookies on pages you visit, so they won't track you.

Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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I think that a lot of Google and Facebook’s creepyness would go away if they’d just voluntarily respect the Do Not Track header. There’s no techical reason why don’t, just business ethics. That header is someone explicitly telling Google “I don’t want you to do this” _before_ collection happens and Google’s response is “we don’t give a shit what you want” and doing it anyway. The current model where you have to regis…

What are BATs? I am not familiar with this acronym.

Basic Attention Token. Part of the Brave browser.

Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course not. What would that even mean? Their objective is to model you. To maximize profit, they should retrain the model with the input "user deleted this and that". As added data points.

Perhaps, that would mean complying with GDPR? You are obliged to remove data physically from databases upon request (including backups if possible, if not possible then keep deletion patches to be ran after backup restore!). Since you cannot continue processing data after GDPR deletion request, that could mean that a model (which is processing the data) should unlearn any knowledge of you.

This is what any reasonable person will think. I fully expect FB to argue that "oh these are just some computer bits you see. There is no way to from this model deduce what inputs made it into this model. It's like a hash function. And since we have removed the inputs, we have complied."

That they are in essence keeping "the ghost" of a person is another thing.

Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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I think that a lot of Google and Facebook’s creepyness would go away if they’d just voluntarily respect the Do Not Track header. There’s no techical reason why don’t, just business ethics. That header is someone explicitly telling Google “I don’t want you to do this” _before_ collection happens and Google’s response is “we don’t give a shit what you want” and doing it anyway. The current model where you have to regis…

What are BATs? I am not familiar with this acronym.

https://basicattentiontoken.org/

They provide a way for a user to hold information about the ads they want to see.

They allow you to financially support websites that show useful ads without the need for user tracking by a third party outside of your browser.

They do a lot more than that too so I'd suggest having a look at the above link or Brendan Eich's new start up https://brave.com/

There's nothing proprietary about them though and Google could switch to this model in Chrome if they wanted ....if they wanted.

Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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I see a different and worst thing: actually big of IT think to be they are powerful enough to take over banking system and governments itself.

We all depend more and more on hw and sw build by more and more fewer subjects bigger and bigger to a point of being become "platforms of the world".

See only casual outbreaks "Whatsapp down", the polemica between a Brazilian judge and Facebook that lead to a temporary ban of WA and the consequent citizen reaction. See only what you can do without connectivity or without few big's clouds.

That's far more serious of mere "steering with aggregators" or mass profiling.

Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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I think that a lot of Google and Facebook’s creepyness would go away if they’d just voluntarily respect the Do Not Track header. There’s no techical reason why don’t, just business ethics. That header is someone explicitly telling Google “I don’t want you to do this” _before_ collection happens and Google’s response is “we don’t give a shit what you want” and doing it anyway. The current model where you have to regis…

I wish the GDPR had enforced this. It would be nice, though sad that it would have to be a law. If congress and the EU would push for it, things might get interesting. Ads based on content are what I prefer anyway.

With BATs you can have the best of both worlds. The difference is that you control the tracking information and can choose not to share it or delete it at any given time.

Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they clear it without using it and if they do use it to they clear the results of that use?

And to follow up on this, if some AI model is trained using the data, is that AI model then trashed and redone without the dataset?

GDPR doesn't demand that you destroy all features created with the help of user data.

Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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I looked at the "Google" page ( https://www.thecreepyline.com/programs/google-v2 ) and noticed it doesn't mention a few kind of important things. (1) You can pause activity collection at https://myaccount.google.com/activitycontrols (2) You can delete activity here https://myactivity.google.com/delete-activity Also, does anyone know if Facebook offers interfaces like these?

Would this unlearn the Google's ML models from my data?

Would you ask somebody who had you in an A/B test to destroy the feature?
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