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Re: Lenovo to pay $7.3M for installing adware in laptops

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Most of the Japan railway system was built by the state and privatized later.

Building it isn't the difficult part, keeping it running efficiently is. See: Britain.

Ironically most of the railways in Britain were built independently by private companies then nationalised then privatised again.

Re: Lenovo to pay $7.3M for installing adware in laptops

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Considering the quality and the fact that Win10 actually serves you adds and sells telemetry information, I think the price should be even lower. The consumer has the responsibility to check the validity of the product, sure, but this is ridiculously unfeasible for digital licenses. A lot of companies actually do buy these 10$ keys and I don't blame them.

Any source on them selling telemetry data?

I don't think you need a source for that. The OS was free for most people. It collects data, what do you think they do with that data?

Re: Lenovo to pay $7.3M for installing adware in laptops

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So, somewhat offtopic. I'd like to buy some tablets as presents and the Lenovo ones seemed well rated for the price. Are there others that are made by a, umm, nicer company? I'm looking for cheap and reliable rather than performant.

Maybe give chromebooks a spin? Or pair up an ipad with a portable keyboard.

I can't really comment on the iPad idea but in the context of Lenovo's malware install...

If you're purchasing a computer with Google software on it aren't you already handing everything to Google?

So is a Chromebook really an alternative if you're rejecting Lenovo tablets for poor security/privacy?

I've been interested in Chromebook hardware but have rejected them for security reasons previously. I'd be interested to hear other people's opinions on the mater.

Re: Lenovo to pay $7.3M for installing adware in laptops

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Why would nationalization ensure that the equipment is well maintained?

This descends pretty quickly into politics, but Nationalised infrastructure should be managed by a government organisation who's goal is to deliver a quality product at (or slightly above) cost. These organisations in turn report to the executive government of the day, who's interests should be aligned with that of the citizens they were elected to represent.

Uh... are you familiar with... history? Take a look at the Soviet car industry. You could take you pick from about 2 or 3 cars that were roughly 40 years old, then wait on a ten year waiting list to get one.

You do realize regulation does not work in virtue of itself, right? If you regulate something it will not magically be regulated efficiently or even adequately.

Re: Lenovo to pay $7.3M for installing adware in laptops

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I recently was asked by my girlfriends sister to help her choose a laptop. After finding a model that looked good spec-wise I searched for that same model but without Windows pre-installed. It was 150€ cheaper. Then I got a 10€ Windows 10 key from ebay, installed O&O ShutUp and Winaero Tweaker and now it almost feels like a great system that you can actually work with. Vendor-bloatware has been bad since Windows 7 bu…

> Then I got a 10€ Windows 10 key from ebay A rather unfair comparison, don't you think? That's like saying "I got a really good deal on a Macbook, all I had to do was pick it up and sprint out of the Apple store!"

It also would have been a better deal if I bought it from the official MS-Store for 145€ because it wouldn't have had all the Lenovo bloatware on it.

I personally don't want to support what Microsoft is doing with Windows so that's why I bought it from a shady ebay seller.

Of course, the more ethical solution would have been to talk her into a GNU/Linux machine but I don't have the time and energy to play IT support for the next six months.

Re: Lenovo to pay $7.3M for installing adware in laptops

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I recently was asked by my girlfriends sister to help her choose a laptop. After finding a model that looked good spec-wise I searched for that same model but without Windows pre-installed. It was 150€ cheaper. Then I got a 10€ Windows 10 key from ebay, installed O&O ShutUp and Winaero Tweaker and now it almost feels like a great system that you can actually work with. Vendor-bloatware has been bad since Windows 7 bu…

Vendor bloatware has been bad since 95

Ah yes, "Sign up for the Microsoft Network"

Re: Lenovo to pay $7.3M for installing adware in laptops

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The article mentions another $7M worth of fines, and that's just for the US. Also, they sold their customers pretty cheap, so the combined fines likely significantly exceed the profit from the deal: https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2015/02/27/lenov... While I do think the punishment should be significantly more severe (including jail time for executives), I suspect the scandal has made companies aware that…

> I suspect the scandal has made companies aware that this is a bad idea. I kind of wonder how many people were like, "pre-install adware on PCs? Why didn't I think of that?!?"

Preinstalled crapware for Windows based PCs has been the norm since I can remember - along with physical crapware stickers.

When I buy PCs, I only buy either the business line from Dell or from the MS store.

Re: Lenovo to pay $7.3M for installing adware in laptops

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Maybe a step towards the possibility to buy lenovo hardware without forced m$ license ?

You don’t actually pay more for the Windows license. The cost of the Windows license is usually offset by OEM installed crapware on consumer PCs.
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