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Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

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Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

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Which is the point of an environmental assessment: to look at the benefits and cost to the environment and document the net result. This isn’t about declaring the project a hazard to the environment, this is skipping the process to determine if it is or isn’t a net good.

Who foots the bill for such an assessment?

Whoever is paying for the project. The same as who pays for all the permits and inspections.

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

#82
post #5

My dad used to work in local government and likes to call the automatic opposition, "People united against anything." Today we call them NIMBYs. California has empowered them in peculiar and powerful ways, as anyone, anywhere, can challenge any project under the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA), which actually supersedes the national version (NEQA).

> My dad used to work in local government and likes to call the automatic opposition, "People united against anything." Today we call them NIMBYs.

I love the BANANA acronym, which stands for "build absolutely nothing anywhere near anything".

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

#83
post #48

Musk can do better than this. We need real subways and trains for transit. We do not need another express freeway lane that's underground. This is just adding more room for cars. Building on the existing approach of solving traffic by adding more lanes. This will not help Los Angeles nor America as a whole shift away from car dependency.

Your cities are very sparsely populated to be cost effective with rail.

LA already has a pretty large rail network. Problem is when they try to build new subways it takes many many years to go even a mile and is met with the same lawsuits Elon faced. Fact is, California culture wants it but doesn’t want it at the same time.

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

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Honestly, I cannot help but get frustrated even though I know I shouldn't. How are people rooting against this person? Do they not want space exploration/green technology/incredible cars/transportation innovation/globally accessible satellite internet/self driving cars/etc? I don't even really understand where the hate comes from, because he missed a few deadlines, because he dreams big? I'm sure his critics have mis…

The issues is not that we don't want these things. People cheer for NASA and you hardly ever read anything negative about those missions. Elon is why people complain. He rubs a lot of people the wrong way with this tweets and attitude. You can be diplomatic and move things forward or you can be abrasive like Elon and also move forward.

The kind of people that want to see a brilliant person who is doing good work fail because he is not a nice guy irritate the hell out of me. I'm not totally sold that you have to be an asshole to progress things, but being wrapped up in pussy-footing around and not ruffling any feathers takes a helluva lot of energy out that could be directed towards real goals.

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

#85
post #56

Why doesn't Musk take his business elsewhere where he's welcome? I can imagine LA being a nightmare for this sort of project. He needs a place where bureaucracy is thinner and people are actually excited about everything new.

He's building us an express loop in Chicago: https://www.boringcompany.com/chicago/ They're even paying for the whole thing, I think most residents here are excited about it.

I don't think many people in Chicago even know about it, and experts don't think it'll happen at all. I'll believe it when I see it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/16/us/chicago-tunnel-elon-mu...

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

#86

Musk can do better than this. We need real subways and trains for transit. We do not need another express freeway lane that's underground. This is just adding more room for cars. Building on the existing approach of solving traffic by adding more lanes. This will not help Los Angeles nor America as a whole shift away from car dependency.

Real subways need tunnels.

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

#87
post #56

Why doesn't Musk take his business elsewhere where he's welcome? I can imagine LA being a nightmare for this sort of project. He needs a place where bureaucracy is thinner and people are actually excited about everything new.

He's building us an express loop in Chicago: https://www.boringcompany.com/chicago/ They're even paying for the whole thing, I think most residents here are excited about it.

I'll take the opposite side and wager that few people in Chicago know about it and that it will never be built.

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

#88
post #57

well, im not sure where this tunnel would be located BUT if he was digging under my $500,000-1,000,000 residential house (or whatever the prices there are) or my commercial property i sure as hell would sue the billionaire all the way to the bank as well. For him its just "playing games" oh let me dig a tunnel so i can skip the traffic on MY way to work. For me - its my livelihood - house is a single biggest purchase…

Why would you live in a place where people have to approve what you want to do with your property?

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

#89
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who foots the bill for such an assessment?

Whoever is paying for the project. The same as who pays for all the permits and inspections.

I would think that's the reason why Boring Co. cancelled the project then. They probably need to get some "MVP" tunnels up and running as soon and as cheaply as possible.

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

#90
post #82
post #5

My dad used to work in local government and likes to call the automatic opposition, "People united against anything." Today we call them NIMBYs. California has empowered them in peculiar and powerful ways, as anyone, anywhere, can challenge any project under the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA), which actually supersedes the national version (NEQA).

> My dad used to work in local government and likes to call the automatic opposition, "People united against anything." Today we call them NIMBYs. I love the BANANA acronym, which stands for "build absolutely nothing anywhere near anything".

Never heard of it before, but it's absolutely brilliant.
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