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Dead sperm whale found in Indonesia had ingested '6kg of plastic'

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Re: Dead sperm whale found in Indonesia had ingested '6kg of plastic'

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If you can't convince Indians not to shit on the streets, good luck explaining to them what throwing plastic bags in the river does to the planet as a whole. With this I'm not saying that Indians will always be dirty, but a loooong time will pass until reeducation is successful, so we have to think of other, more direct (and aggressive) ways.

To anyone reading this, no a billion people don't shit on the streets of India. India is a young democracy bursting at the seams, education is probably the most important challenge it faces right now and my hope is that it alleviates a lot of these issues. To your point about plastic bags, many many people are cognizant of the ill-effects of plastic bags in India. Many of my friends actively try to avoid it. It's jus…

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Re: Dead sperm whale found in Indonesia had ingested '6kg of plastic'

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We need to get our heads out of our asses. I don't want to be that guy but... we either need to radically change the way we live or 90% of us just need to immediately cease to exist although I'm sure the remaining 750 million people would still find ways to sabotage our planet. 'SHTF' fiction and science fiction often turns to a pandemic wiping out large chunks of the population... that would be bad for you, for me,…

I say all of this as a thought experiment. But: > Sad thing is, the vast majority of people are oblivious or flat out don't care. I mean, if we're making mental jumps to wiping out billions of people - I'd argue that, does it even matter? Ie, in your example human life largely doesn't matter. Human survival maybe, but clearly not billions of lives. I'm not saying this negatively either, just acknowledging what topic…

> Regardless, I struggle to be emotionally invested in a situation where I decide 6 billion people die.

6 billion people will die. Heck, 7.5 billion will die. Everyone dies. The question is not when, but how, and how do they live their lives.

I think we should pursue a solution not of genocide, but one of mass sterilization. We should choose about 100 million people from all over the Earth that will represent the genome of the next generation of humanity and sterilize everyone else. And contrary to the closet racists' wet dream, this should be done in exactly the opposite way: we should strive to maximize genetic diversity and make sure that everyone has a pretty close relative represented. It would have to be massively automated, driven by genetic data, and highly, highly scientific.

That's the only non-morally-horrendous depopulation solution that I can think of. It would solve our population problem in ~60-70 years, naturally. Humanely I would say.

To some, it might be liberating even. The need to not ever worry about supporting children, or really, about the future at all. They don't have to live with a lower standard of living (by much). They don't have to figure out how to compete with 8, 9, 10 billion other people trying to claw their way up to the western standard of living. The childless could focus on bringing meaning to their lives in other ways, can invest in the next generation in other ways, and can transcend their biological destiny, which seems to be a cruel joke programmed into us from the very first bacterium.

It'd be like creating a living ark within humanity.

And the resources left over, designed to support 8 billion, need only support 100 million. There'd be a plethora of energy and real estate. A lot of the Earth could be turned back to wilderness. And humanity would take a smaller role. By choice. Instead of it being forced on us by the system collapsing on our heads.

Re: Dead sperm whale found in Indonesia had ingested '6kg of plastic'

#84
post #11

Just for comparison 6kg of plastic in a 60 ton animal is the same as 6g of plastic in a 60kg organism (or a little above one teaspoon of plastic ingested by a teenager).

Not a fair comparison. See[1] how a whales digestive tract can be a fraction of the size of a humans, relative to overall size.

Also 6 grams can be three whole plastics cups - or a dozen lightweight bags, not that neat little teaspoon full.

[1] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sperm+whale+anatomy&t=ffsb&iar=ima...

Re: Dead sperm whale found in Indonesia had ingested '6kg of plastic'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re right about that article — however when looking at all marine plastic pollution, the countries responsible are the same: most notably China and South East Asia. https://www.wsj.com/articles/which-countries-create-the-most... https://www.statista.com/chart/12211/the-countries-polluting...

Claiming that China and South East Asia are "responsible" for all the plastic pollution they output is seriously misguided (no offense intended=) given that the region is "the plastic factory" for the whole world.

Is the plastic in the rivers postconsumer or preconsumer waste?

Re: Dead sperm whale found in Indonesia had ingested '6kg of plastic'

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post #39

93% of plastic polluting the world's oceans comes from 10 rivers. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/stemming-the-plas... Yangtze - East China Sea (Asia) Indus - Arabian Sea (Asia) Yellow River - Yellow Sea (Asia) Hai He - Yellow Sea (Asia) Nile - Mediterranean (Africa) Ganges - Bay of Bengal (Asia) Pearl River - South China Sea (Asia) Amur - Sea of Okhotsk (Asia) Niger - Gulf of Guinea (Africa) Mekong - Sout…

This elicits an emotional response from my acquaintances, but this gets to the main objection I have about feel-good measures like banning plastic straws. I understand the "everything helps" argument, but not when people and the media pour their energy and emotions into statistically meaningless measures then move on. I've been hearing the same concerns my entire life, yet things keep getting worse in statistically m…

I call it do-your-partism and it’s a big part of the reason we have so many problems that people seem to care about that aren’t getting solved.

Re: Dead sperm whale found in Indonesia had ingested '6kg of plastic'

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Over the past few months I have been trying to figure out a solution for environmental issues in developing countries (like India where I'm from). Conclusion is, because of the democracy, the change is not possible from inside, some external force has to be there. Here governments take decision for the short term because they have to please the common (& uneducated) men for the next election. Hence the agenda of envi…

I find it insane that the top comment is focused on India. 1) this is a global issue and 2) the US created the template from which other countries are pushing forward. Blaming this in one region or country without calling out the contributions to the problem by the US is nuts.

Re: Dead sperm whale found in Indonesia had ingested '6kg of plastic'

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Over the past few months I have been trying to figure out a solution for environmental issues in developing countries (like India where I'm from). Conclusion is, because of the democracy, the change is not possible from inside, some external force has to be there. Here governments take decision for the short term because they have to please the common (& uneducated) men for the next election. Hence the agenda of envi…

I live in the central US. IMO my trash is not making it to the ocean. Why can't we identify these illegal dumpers?

Re: Dead sperm whale found in Indonesia had ingested '6kg of plastic'

#90
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I say all of this as a thought experiment. But: > Sad thing is, the vast majority of people are oblivious or flat out don't care. I mean, if we're making mental jumps to wiping out billions of people - I'd argue that, does it even matter? Ie, in your example human life largely doesn't matter. Human survival maybe, but clearly not billions of lives. I'm not saying this negatively either, just acknowledging what topic…

> Regardless, I struggle to be emotionally invested in a situation where I decide 6 billion people die. 6 billion people will die. Heck, 7.5 billion will die. Everyone dies. The question is not when, but how, and how do they live their lives. I think we should pursue a solution not of genocide, but one of mass sterilization. We should choose about 100 million people from all over the Earth that will represent the gen…

Good luck sterilizing people against their will.
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