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Re: China's brightest children are being recruited to weaponize AI

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Post by natch »

whorleater wrote: post #63
natch wrote: post #57

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I should have made it more clear it's not all people, it's many people. And the problem is not the people, it's the system of government control of education, media, and now digital media at every level. You have been exposed to more voices (metaphorical) so you are one of the lucky ones. It's good to hear you find some of these voices to be inside of China still. I imagine being inside the system before encountering…

This comment is so incredibly patronizing ("oh it's good to hear you're one of the good Chinese") that I'd be insulted if I wasn't laughing so much.

>("oh it's good to hear you're one of the good Chinese")

Except that's not what I said or meant. Yet you felt the need to put it in quotes.

Re: China's brightest children are being recruited to weaponize AI

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Post by pentae »

wycs wrote: post #59

China is full of extremely bright, hardworking people. It is not a nation of brain-washed automatons. I think AI alignment is some of the most important work in the world, and I think spreading and translating AI alignment research in China, such as Stuart Russell's work, may well be more important than direct AI-safety research. Because of their huge population and much higher average quantitative ability among Han…

Just curious what your background experience is that causes you to take this stance that they are not all brain-washed automatons? Is this based on Mainland Chinese you've met in the US? Or in Mainland China?

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Post by kwizzt »

_1qd4 wrote: post #79
wycs wrote: post #59

China is full of extremely bright, hardworking people. It is not a nation of brain-washed automatons. I think AI alignment is some of the most important work in the world, and I think spreading and translating AI alignment research in China, such as Stuart Russell's work, may well be more important than direct AI-safety research. Because of their huge population and much higher average quantitative ability among Han…

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Can you show me some sources for the claim that 'Chinese people do not using toilets in much of the country'? For all I know, it's the Indians and some Middle East countries that prefer water over toilet paper.

Re: China's brightest children are being recruited to weaponize AI

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Post by yourbandsucks »

pentae wrote: post #82
wycs wrote: post #59

China is full of extremely bright, hardworking people. It is not a nation of brain-washed automatons. I think AI alignment is some of the most important work in the world, and I think spreading and translating AI alignment research in China, such as Stuart Russell's work, may well be more important than direct AI-safety research. Because of their huge population and much higher average quantitative ability among Han…

Just curious what your background experience is that causes you to take this stance that they are not all brain-washed automatons? Is this based on Mainland Chinese you've met in the US? Or in Mainland China?

It's probably based on the fact that they're human beings.

Since when does progressivism mean "try to understand and respect other cultures, except the Chinese, fuck them"? When did that last part get added?

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Post by yourbandsucks »

ng12 wrote: post #76
dis-sys wrote: post #75

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> it matters what the Chinese government is like that is just a cheap excuse repeatedly used in almost all high tech areas - 1. because the Chinese government is bad, China is not allowed to join projects like the international space station. 2. because the Chinese government is bad, allowing China to have access to any semiconductor techs from the west is not acceptable. 3. because the Chinese government is bad, exp…

I'm not sure what your contention is. Do you not believe the Chinese government to be corrupt, authoritarian, and/or oppressive? I'm pretty comfortable with the idea that free societies should not economically support oppressive ones.

Compared to whom?

We imprison more of our own people than them and we wage war all over the world, but people don't see it in their daily life so it's just background noise.

Maybe the basis should be cooperation and understanding rather than demonization and fear.

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Post by yourbandsucks »

spongepoc wrote: post #31
zaru27 wrote: post #29

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We need to weaponise our education system against them. Full tuition for humanities; total restriction of access to science and technology programs. This will cultivate liberalism, democracy and dissent amongst Chinese students which would destabalize their regime, while depriving them of the technical knowledge they crave in their drive to overthrow the West. We have been very naive to allow so much access to our in…

You might want to read some recent Chinese history if you think weaponizing the education system is a good idea.

Or heck, just read the first couple chapters of the three body problem.

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kwizzt wrote: post #83
_1qd4 wrote: post #79

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Can you show me some sources for the claim that 'Chinese people do not using toilets in much of the country'? For all I know, it's the Indians and some Middle East countries that prefer water over toilet paper.

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Post by jbob2000 »

kwizzt wrote: post #83
_1qd4 wrote: post #79

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Can you show me some sources for the claim that 'Chinese people do not using toilets in much of the country'? For all I know, it's the Indians and some Middle East countries that prefer water over toilet paper.

Sources? Have you been to China? It's only in some major cities that places have toilets, otherwise you use a hole in the ground!

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Post by [deleted] »

kwizzt wrote: post #83
_1qd4 wrote: post #79

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Can you show me some sources for the claim that 'Chinese people do not using toilets in much of the country'? For all I know, it's the Indians and some Middle East countries that prefer water over toilet paper.

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Re: China's brightest children are being recruited to weaponize AI

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Post by kwizzt »

jbob2000 wrote: post #88
kwizzt wrote: post #83

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Can you show me some sources for the claim that 'Chinese people do not using toilets in much of the country'? For all I know, it's the Indians and some Middle East countries that prefer water over toilet paper.

Sources? Have you been to China? It's only in some major cities that places have toilets, otherwise you use a hole in the ground!

Yes I have been to China, as I was born and raised in China. I've been to small villages, towns and large cities. I would say that very few places are actually not using toilets like the some places in north-western/south-western part of China. However, the majority of the Chinese people live in other parts along the coast and major water bodies.

I remember when I was very little, so at least 20 years ago, there were no toilets in the village I was born in. It has not remained that case since then. I would say your information is pretty stale.

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