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A 100k Botnet Turns Home Routers to Email Spammers

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Re: A 100k Botnet Turns Home Routers to Email Spammers

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I must be missing something, but why are all these routers publicly listening on port 5431?

Ports 5431 and 1900 are used for UPnP. I can’t think of any good reason they should be listening on an external interface, but maybe the port scanning is happening on the inside.

That's the thing, it looks like they are listening externally: https://www.shodan.io/search?query=Server%3A%20Custom%2F1.0%.... I tried a couple of those IPs and can reach all of them on 5431.

Re: A 100k Botnet Turns Home Routers to Email Spammers

#82
post #78

I must be missing something, but why are all these routers publicly listening on port 5431?

Ports 5431 and 1900 are used for UPnP. I can’t think of any good reason they should be listening on an external interface, but maybe the port scanning is happening on the inside.

Yeah, DNS rebinding attacks can allow malicious Javascript running inside the network attack the router from the LAN side.

Re: A 100k Botnet Turns Home Routers to Email Spammers

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This will depend on what kind of Internet connection you have, or expect to have in the future. Gigabit internet connections are becoming more common here in the US, and some lower powered devices just can't route packets faster than say 100-200 Mbit/s. I can tell you what I did, which may or may not be helpful to you. I got Linksys WRT AC3200[0]. The "AC3200" bit refers to a type of wifi 802.11ac configuration that…

Would you happen to know if the 25% cheaper 'gaming edition' is as good? Doesn't seem to have MU-MIMO, which from what you've said might be an easy saving: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Linksys-WRT32X-UK-AC3200-Dual-Band-...

Search the Amazon comments and you'll see at least three folks who are running OpenWRT/Lede on this device. Pretty sure it uses the same "rango" chipset. My guess is that your instincts are right, and it's cheaper and pretty much the same thing.

Re: A 100k Botnet Turns Home Routers to Email Spammers

#84
post #38

So, what is the most secured option for the moment? Buy a x86 box and turn it into a router? But it consumes more power than a low-power router, and buying more network adapter is not that cheap. I am currently using the open source tomato firmware. However, since there is a bug/feature in the router so that I cannot flash an image too large, or otherwise it would not work. Also, the configuration is limited to 32 KB…

> Buy a x86 box and turn it into a router? But it consumes more power than a low-power router, and buying more network adapter is not that cheap.

If you want to go this route, used Intel NICs are cheap. I recently picked up a 4-port gigabit NIC (PCI-E) for £13.99. I'm running on a machine that would be on anyway, so the power usage is negligible.

Re: A 100k Botnet Turns Home Routers to Email Spammers

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If I have UPnP disabled, am I safe?

There's no way to be "safe". You might be safer if you disable UPnP, it certainly decreases the attack surface.

> There's no way to be "safe".

You're implying that all routers are vulnerable?

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#86
post #37

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What if the router was being unused? What if the power usage was minimal? I think it is unethical not to utilize resources that are being wasted.

I hope your parents taught you to ask before invading somebody's personal property. Are you okay with XYZ Tech Company snooping on your private messages, emails, or credit card transactions? The impact that you'd see would be minimal (aside from more targeted ads, perhaps), and it's data which would otherwise be "wasted" if nobody was mining it.

I hope your parents taught you that too, thanks. Anyways, no its not okay for XYZ because they are invading the privacy of people's lives as a means to make more money. In the other circumstance, you would be using unused resources, not invading privacy, and contributing to projects such as Folding@home, which hopes to solve hard protein folding problems in order to better humanity.

Re: A 100k Botnet Turns Home Routers to Email Spammers

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So the ERLite-3? https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-lite/

the $48 ER-X is much faster than 99% of peoples' residential last mile broadband connections, it's good for up to about 750 Mbps of NAT and default route outbound to a gateway.

I have a gigabit fiber line with no PoE from the fiber box. Between the 2 I think the ERLite-3 should work better.

Re: A 100k Botnet Turns Home Routers to Email Spammers

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Buy the Archer C7 version 2, and install the optimized version of openwrt: https://github.com/infinitnet/lede-ar71xx-optimized-archer-c... This build gets ~750 mbps NAT speed as opposed to vanilla openwrt, which is around ~300 mbps.

Is that v2 as in >v1, or is there a v3+ that I don't want? That is, can I just buy from Amazon [0] with a fairly safe assumption that a new C7 is OK? [0]: https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-AC1750-Dualband-Zertifizier...

So, 2 or 3 years ago I did just that.

And it was flakey as f*ck. It rebooted itself roughly once a day, and would stop routing traffic to my fibre modem and need manually rebooted at least once a day.

The Openwrt support forums were... not helpful.

All this was such a shame, because the Openwrt feature set is so much capable than the stock firmware - I so wanted it to work, but had such a bad experience I haven't gone near it since and it will likely stay that way.

Re: A 100k Botnet Turns Home Routers to Email Spammers

#89
post #26

Is there any easy way to check if your router is vulnerable/compromised? Or instructions for disinfecting it as well as patching it? Like, based on actually being exploitable or compromised, not firmware versions or whatever. I actually suspect mine is compromised, it's been behaving funny for a month or two, needing to be restarted a lot. (Which, ironically, is a signal of a _buggy_ compromise, your router of course…

If I were you I'd check to see if your router can run one of the several open source firmware packages like OpenWRT, dd-wrt, or Tomato. In my personal experience the OpenWRT/lede team is on top of security issues, and the router web interface and tooling is completely fine. I'd be confident that flashing your device with modern open source firmware would solve the problem, but if you're paranoid just recycle the devi…

In general, I am cautious of running my own open source thing without being an expert in the relevant area (or interested in becoming one) -- having to put something together (and maintain it) yourself seldom, in my experience, ends up _more_ secure or _more_ maintainable, when you don't know what you're doing.

However, routers may be an exception. Apparently the industry has basically no business motivation to keep consumer-grade networking hardware secure, at all. Irrelevant to their profits or reputation.

I'll consider it. When I bought my router I intentionally got one that can run OpenWRT, but never ended up installing it, cause, who's got time for that? But perhaps there isn't really an alternative, unless you want a bot-net-ed router. Which honestly, and with shame, I'd just ignore the botnet sending out spam to other people if I didn't think it was compromising the functionality (and security) of my router for me. Last thing I wanna do is spend time becoming a network engineer after a day of getting paid to write software, but i guess that's where we're at.

(Oh crap, I just realized it could be my DSL modem instead of or in addition to my (wired and wifi) router. I know even LESS about that thing. I think none of these consumer products, owned by people who know a lot less than me, are ever gonna be protected, if even I am intimidated by trying to figure it out).

Re: A 100k Botnet Turns Home Routers to Email Spammers

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post #27

> Universal Plug-n-Play And, like so many other attempts to "simplify" supposedly complex configuration, in addition to being a massive security hole to attackers, it's almost useless to the home users for whom it was meant because it only works under a very narrow, mostly undocumented set of assumptions and if any of those assumptions are invalid, it fails silently.

I disabled it after this post, but it appears Plex switches to 'indirect' mode (it goes out to the Internet and back in) without it; i.e. I am using UPnP. It's not clear what the solution is - update firmware? I am on the latest. Use OpenWRT (or whatever it's called these days)? Every time I look into it (I really want to!) I stop at the simple 'I want to do this, I will happily buy a new router, which one do I buy a…

You can explicitly forward the ports used by Plex.
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